Or desperately hope that Gronk pulls it off all alone.

If you think that Uncharted 4 and GT, for example, won't be heavy hittin' system sellers, I'd say you'd certainly be guessing wrong. Then there are console exclusive titles like Street Fighter V and multiplats like Final Fantasy XV.

Not enough to fight a price cut. Pokemon couldn't do it for 3ds and halo couldn't do it for Xb1.

OK:

Holiday 2016 it will be down because the price cut happened this year.

- Eh, that doesn't mean another can't/won't happen to $299.99 and that price point will continue to keep its numbers up.

Uncharted releases early next year which will help early next year but what will save it holiday next year? I can't think of anything big enough from Sony that can compete with a initial price cut. His Pokemon and 3ds comparison made tons of sense, Pokemon wasn't big enough to beat a price cut so why would anything Sony pulls out be big enough?

- Uncharted releases early this year, among other things. The Pokemon talk, I'm not sure that will really apply here. No one has suggested that one game will be enough to keep the system up over 2015.

How is 299.99 Sonys sweet spot? Didnt ps1 and ps2 launch at 299.99? Correct me if I'm wrong. If so then obviously majority of there sells came from below that point. Sounds more like Sony fan hope.

- See point one.

For the record though I do agree it will peak next year simply because non holiday 2016 should be stronger than non holiday 2015. I'm thinking around 18m next year and decline from here on out. Ps vr will simply not do much commercially outside of Sony fans simply because Sony has a history of not doing very well with peripherals. Move and PS eye say hello Sony fans. Honestly the playstation brand hasn't done much outside of home consoles.

- So you think it will peak in 2017? That differs from his point, then (something you're defending). And peripherals are irrelevant (particularly PS Eye/Move, both PS3 accessories), since no one has claimed they will create some magical sales miracle.

- My take(s)

I gave you a chance and you totally blew it. Oh man...

I'm not sure the word "hope" applies, but then, you seem to have a thing for making it about the individual.

In any event, the Pokemon talk remains irrelevant. PS:VR may have been mentioned, but again, nobody has claimed it will be why this won't be the PS4's peak year (which continues to be ironic, given YOU don't even expect that, yet continue to argue in favor of it).

Anything is possible, doesn't make it probable. As far as one exclusive game, what were the Sony owned titles that kept the PS1-3 from peaking in their 3rd years?

Then, if that's the case (I mean, outside of Wiki - which I'll always have doubts about, since anyone can edit the data), I stand corrected. I still don't think 2015 will be the PS4's peak year, however.