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Swordmasterman on 11 January 2016
TheSting said:
No big games then. I'm talking CoD, Star Wars, Batman, GTA. Big games not small ones. Don't they both have small ones on one and not the other? Exclusive deals? I'm assuming you're talking about DLC. Lol come on man.

You dont Know how to Quote ?, How i would Know that you were Talking to me ?.

 

so for you Ni Oh, Ace Combat, Resident Evil, Street Fighter, and Deep Down, are Not Big Tittles ?.

Ni Oh, looks better than Any game on Xbox One, and have a Good Art Design, also a Solid Gameplay.

Ace Combat, is the Only Franchise of his Genre, also is one of the Most Anticipated titles for Playstation VR.

Street Fighter, just the Biggest Fighting game Franchise, and Of Course will have the Best Multiplayer of the Genre.

I Dont know what Expect from Resident Evil Umbrela Corps,  it can be Good, it can be Bad, but is a Triple A Game from the Biggest Horror Franchise out there.

Deep Down, have Everything to be Better than Dragon's Dogma,  And is also a Free to Play game.

a Game from Hideo Kojima, that is on the top 5 Biggest Developers of All times, is Not Big Enought for You ?.

Hideo Kojima, is on the  level of Hironobu Sakaguchi, and Shigeru Miyamotto.

What is a Big game for you ?.

 

And Xbox One, Still not Receiving a Single Japanese game, and Those games are Much Popular, The Worse Selling Dragon Quest Game, sold more than the best Selling Forza game (exclusive for 1 Plataform).





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TheSting on 11 January 2016
potato_hamster said:
TheSting said:
You know for sure royalty checks went up in flames? You seem to know a lot about this stuff that you actually don't know anything about. This is hilarious. Nervous? I've missed out on no big 3rd party games. Which one's aren't coming to Xbox One?

No of course I don't know if royalty cheques up in flames. I've openly stated I've never been a Square Enix employee, much less someone that worked on this title, and those guys and girls would be the only people that would know . However I have worked for many major development studios, and independant studios that have had contracts with major publihers. Based on my experience its entirely possible they will not recieve any royalties based on sales so far.

For example in most cases, there is a threshold of revenue a game must generate before royalties are dispursed to the development team. In some cases it's be bases on hard sales numbers (like the game must sell say, 1.4 million copies before royalties begin to be earn). There are also instances based on total revenue so if your game comes out for $60, and then 3 weeks later is $40 on a Black Friday sale, then the total revenue for that game in the first month could be significantly lower than if the game sold at $60 for the entire month. If the game hasn't brought in revenue beyond that threshold, developers don't see a dime. After that, royalties are typically based off of a certain percentage of revenue generated beyond that point that could increase or decease with additional sales. With every studio I've worked with and with every publisher I've worked with, these policies have been different. Sometimes they can differ even within the same published based on budget and expected game revenue.

So what I was getting at, for a title of this magnitude, with the development and marketing budget, it's entirely possible that sales of 1 million in the first two months is not enough for the developers to recieve a dime, and even if they do, the royalties they recieve could be a quarter to a third of what they would have recieved had the game sold 2 million copies. Do I know that's the case? Absolutely not, but I wouldn't be in the least surprised if the development team is totally gutted at sales so far.

 


Sooooo you don't no what you're talking about? You're guessing. Stop it



Swordmasterman on 11 January 2016
TheSting said:
potato_hamster said:

No of course I don't know if royalty cheques up in flames. I've openly stated I've never been a Square Enix employee, much less someone that worked on this title, and those guys and girls would be the only people that would know . However I have worked for many major development studios, and independant studios that have had contracts with major publihers. Based on my experience its entirely possible they will not recieve any royalties based on sales so far.

For example in most cases, there is a threshold of revenue a game must generate before royalties are dispursed to the development team. In some cases it's be bases on hard sales numbers (like the game must sell say, 1.4 million copies before royalties begin to be earn). There are also instances based on total revenue so if your game comes out for $60, and then 3 weeks later is $40 on a Black Friday sale, then the total revenue for that game in the first month could be significantly lower than if the game sold at $60 for the entire month. If the game hasn't brought in revenue beyond that threshold, developers don't see a dime. After that, royalties are typically based off of a certain percentage of revenue generated beyond that point that could increase or decease with additional sales. With every studio I've worked with and with every publisher I've worked with, these policies have been different. Sometimes they can differ even within the same published based on budget and expected game revenue.

So what I was getting at, for a title of this magnitude, with the development and marketing budget, it's entirely possible that sales of 1 million in the first two months is not enough for the developers to recieve a dime, and even if they do, the royalties they recieve could be a quarter to a third of what they would have recieved had the game sold 2 million copies. Do I know that's the case? Absolutely not, but I wouldn't be in the least surprised if the development team is totally gutted at sales so far.

 


Sooooo you don't no what you're talking about? You're guessing. Stop it

No, he Knows of what he Is talking about, he Just dont Have the Hot Data, but 1 Million in 2 System is Bad.

But this was a Good Deal for the Gaming Community, Now not Even 1 Company will try to make a Deal with Microsoft.





TheSting on 11 January 2016

I know how to quote. Anyway. Lots and lots of subjective opinions in your piece. The part about best multiplayer and looks better than any xbox one game 😂. I told you the big games. The ones I mentioned shift a lot of hardware usually. Street Fighter might but it's on PC so anyone with just a Xbox can play it. Haven't personally heard about any Resident Evil game.



potato_hamster on 11 January 2016
TheSting said:
potato_hamster said:

No of course I don't know if royalty cheques up in flames. I've openly stated I've never been a Square Enix employee, much less someone that worked on this title, and those guys and girls would be the only people that would know . However I have worked for many major development studios, and independant studios that have had contracts with major publihers. Based on my experience its entirely possible they will not recieve any royalties based on sales so far.

For example in most cases, there is a threshold of revenue a game must generate before royalties are dispursed to the development team. In some cases it's be bases on hard sales numbers (like the game must sell say, 1.4 million copies before royalties begin to be earn). There are also instances based on total revenue so if your game comes out for $60, and then 3 weeks later is $40 on a Black Friday sale, then the total revenue for that game in the first month could be significantly lower than if the game sold at $60 for the entire month. If the game hasn't brought in revenue beyond that threshold, developers don't see a dime. After that, royalties are typically based off of a certain percentage of revenue generated beyond that point that could increase or decease with additional sales. With every studio I've worked with and with every publisher I've worked with, these policies have been different. Sometimes they can differ even within the same published based on budget and expected game revenue.

So what I was getting at, for a title of this magnitude, with the development and marketing budget, it's entirely possible that sales of 1 million in the first two months is not enough for the developers to recieve a dime, and even if they do, the royalties they recieve could be a quarter to a third of what they would have recieved had the game sold 2 million copies. Do I know that's the case? Absolutely not, but I wouldn't be in the least surprised if the development team is totally gutted at sales so far.

 


Sooooo you don't no what you're talking about? You're guessing. Stop it

Well the problem is, I make console video games for a living. So my "guesses" are more of an educated, informed opinion based on my first hand experiences. If you just want to brush that off as a "guess" than literally anyone's informed opinion must be completely irrelevant to you.

Investigators piecing together a murder charge based on their examination of the evidence? They don't know what they're talking about. They're guessing.
Surgeon diagnoses you with  a life-threatening condition that can only be stopped with immediate surgery? They don't know what they're talking about. They're guessing.
Your basement is flooding and the plumber says its likely an issue with your weeping tile? They don't know what they're talking about. They're guessing.

Life must be hard for you never respecting the expertise of others.





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Swordmasterman on 11 January 2016
TheSting said:
I know how to quote. Anyway. Lots and lots of subjective opinions in your piece. The part about best multiplayer and looks better than any xbox one game 😂. I told you the big games. The ones I mentioned shift a lot of hardware usually. Street Fighter might but it's on PC so anyone with just a Xbox can play it. Haven't personally heard about any Resident Evil game.

You dont said "What exclusives Playstation 4, is Getting" you said "What Big Third Party Tittles Xbox One is Missing", if a Sequel to a Game that sold  more than 8 Millions Last Gen, is not a System seller and is not a Big Game, so i dont Know what it is, and by What you Mean so not even Halo 5, is a Game that Move Consoles, because Most of the Bundles were Gears of War bundle.

And Stop of Doing this only for the People dont See what you Said in the Previous Post, Xbox One, is Not Going to see a Triple A Game from Capcom, or Koei Tecmo, Anytime Soon, so This is not Enought ?, also Bandai Namco, and Square Enix, make more exclusives for Playstation, and None for Xbox, and From Now a Lot of other Third Party Developers will do the Same, and Even Hideo Kojima, Despite anything being Avaliable on PC, they are Skipping Xbox One, by Pure Desire.





TheSting on 11 January 2016

Which games have you made? Did you receive a deal like MS has with Square? Do you know the details of that deal? If you don't know what the details were/are you are guessing. All that other silly stuff you wrote doesn't make sense. I'm writing to a guy/girl on the internet who can say or be whoever/whatever he/she would like to be. This isn't surgery lol. The equivalency to what you wrote is going to a guy on the street and getting surgery from him. He's guessing and no I wouldn't take his word or have him perform anything on me. I'd go to a professional or getting opinions from ppl in the fields that you wrote about.



TheSting on 11 January 2016
Swordmasterman said:
TheSting said:
I know how to quote. Anyway. Lots and lots of subjective opinions in your piece. The part about best multiplayer and looks better than any xbox one game 😂. I told you the big games. The ones I mentioned shift a lot of hardware usually. Street Fighter might but it's on PC so anyone with just a Xbox can play it. Haven't personally heard about any Resident Evil game.

You dont said "What exclusives Playstation 4, is Getting" you said "What Big Third Party Tittles Xbox One is Missing", if a Sequel to a Game that sold  more than 8 Millions Last Gen, is not a System seller and is not a Big Game, so i dont Know what it is, and by What you Mean so not even Halo 5, is a Game that Move Consoles, because Most of the Bundles were Gears of War bundle.

And Stop of Doing this only for the People dont See what you Said in the Previous Post, Xbox One, is Not Going to see a Triple A Game from Capcom, or Koei Tecmo, Anytime Soon, so This is not Enought ?, also Bandai Namco, and Square Enix, make more exclusives for Playstation, and None for Xbox, and From Now a Lot of other Third Party Developers will do the Same, and Even Hideo Kojima, Despite anything being Avaliable on PC, they are Skipping Xbox One, by Pure Desire.

 

Trying to understand what you're saying. What do you want me to stop doing? Which game sold 8M last gen? That still doesn't mean it was a system seller. Halo 5 month did break PS4s streak in NPD. It moved some Xbox's at least. I pointed out the big games. The one's I pointed out usually sell in the millions between both consoles. I'm not putting down any of the games you mentioned but they don't compare. I know that almost every game is important to someone and helped sell a system but not like the heavy movers. I saw that RE collection is coming out for Xbox and I haven't heard that a newer RE won't make it's way to Xbox One.



Swordmasterman on 11 January 2016
TheSting said:
Swordmasterman said:

You dont said "What exclusives Playstation 4, is Getting" you said "What Big Third Party Tittles Xbox One is Missing", if a Sequel to a Game that sold  more than 8 Millions Last Gen, is not a System seller and is not a Big Game, so i dont Know what it is, and by What you Mean so not even Halo 5, is a Game that Move Consoles, because Most of the Bundles were Gears of War bundle.

And Stop of Doing this only for the People dont See what you Said in the Previous Post, Xbox One, is Not Going to see a Triple A Game from Capcom, or Koei Tecmo, Anytime Soon, so This is not Enought ?, also Bandai Namco, and Square Enix, make more exclusives for Playstation, and None for Xbox, and From Now a Lot of other Third Party Developers will do the Same, and Even Hideo Kojima, Despite anything being Avaliable on PC, they are Skipping Xbox One, by Pure Desire.

 

Trying to understand what you're saying. What do you want me to stop doing? Which game sold 8M last gen? That still doesn't mean it was a system seller. Halo 5 month did break PS4s streak in NPD. It moved some Xbox's at least. I pointed out the big games. The one's I pointed out usually sell in the millions between both consoles. I'm not putting down any of the games you mentioned but they don't compare. I know that almost every game is important to someone and helped sell a system but not like the heavy movers. I saw that RE collection is coming out for Xbox and I haven't heard that a newer RE won't make it's way to Xbox One.

This is a Remaster, not a Actual Triple A, Resident Evil Umbrella Corps, is not Coming to Xbox One, and in October NPD, Halo 5, Only Moved 30 Thousands units more than a Playstation 4, that did not Launched nothing in the Month, and Halo 5, Did not Made Xbox One, win a Single Week Globally, so is not a "Big System Seller", or it would make Xbox One, sell more than Playstation 4, Atleast 1 Week.

I'm Not Saing Random Titles, the game i Said will move Multi-Million Units, Street Fighter, Nih Oh, Ace Combat,  Resident Evil Umbrella Corps, Will Likely Move those Numbers, Only Because Nothing Besides Shooters sell on Xbox One, this Does not Means that a Game need to be on Call of Duty'S Level, to be Considered Triple A, Much Games that Sell Poorly on Xbox One, sell Multi-millions on Playstation 4, Metal Gear Solid V Phantom Pain, sold over 3 Millions on Playstation 4, and 550 Thousands on Xbox One, and such as Far cry 4, Far Cry 4, sold 3.8 Millions on Playstation 4, and 1.5 Millions on Xbox One.

 

And You need to Quote the People and not just make Random Comment, because who did not saw the Comment on the Last Pages will not Understand, and will be Harder to Argue, because we Will Forget what Each Other Said.





TheSting on 11 January 2016
Swordmasterman said:
TheSting said:

 

Trying to understand what you're saying. What do you want me to stop doing? Which game sold 8M last gen? That still doesn't mean it was a system seller. Halo 5 month did break PS4s streak in NPD. It moved some Xbox's at least. I pointed out the big games. The one's I pointed out usually sell in the millions between both consoles. I'm not putting down any of the games you mentioned but they don't compare. I know that almost every game is important to someone and helped sell a system but not like the heavy movers. I saw that RE collection is coming out for Xbox and I haven't heard that a newer RE won't make it's way to Xbox One.

This is a Remaster, not a Actual Triple A, Resident Evil Umbrella Corps, is not Coming to Xbox One, and in October NPD, Halo 5, Only Moved 30 Thousands units more than a Playstation 4, that did not Launched nothing in the Month, and Halo 5, Did not Made Xbox One, win a Single Week Globally, so is not a "Big System Seller", or it would make Xbox One, sell more than Playstation 4, Atleast 1 Week.

I'm Not Saing Random Titles, the game i Said will move Multi-Million Units, Street Fighter, Nih Oh, Ace Combat,  Resident Evil Umbrella Corps, Will Likely Move those Numbers, Only Because Nothing Besides Shooters sell on Xbox One, this Does not Means that a Game need to be on Call of Duty'S Level, to be Considered Triple A, Much Games that Sell Poorly on Xbox One, sell Multi-millions on Playstation 4, Metal Gear Solid V Phantom Pain, sold over 3 Millions on Playstation 4, and 550 Thousands on Xbox One, and such as Far cry 4, Far Cry 4, sold 3.8 Millions on Playstation 4, and 1.5 Millions on Xbox One.

 

And You need to Quote the People and not just make Random Comment, because who did not saw the Comment on the Last Pages will not Understand, and will be Harder to Argue, because we Will Forget what Each Other Said.

 


It did sell more than PS though. Halo 5 helped do something. I don't consider those triple A. Not on the level I'm speaking of. Think that's where we're seeing a disconnect. Xbox isn't getting the next Metal Gear? Street Fighter will be on PC so like I said if you just have an Xbox you still can play it without getting a PS. It's all good tho Sword. I don't feel like continuing whatever we're doing. I'll never be short of games on Xbox and I'm sure other system owners feel the same.