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Normchacho said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
I know it helps in list warz but Idk why people still make a big deal about games coming to PC. "bububut ppl who sell xboxs will be pissed" uh, no they wont. Think back on all the deals console companies have made that keep games off their competitors platforms but include a PC release. It's not nearly as bug a deal as people make it out to be.

I mean, there's a reason SFV and No Man's Sky are coming to PC too.

It has nothing to do with list wars. The more exclusives MS brings to PC the less exclusives the Xbox One has. To illustrate;

"Man, Gears of War: UE, Dead Rising 3, Halo Wars, Killer Instinct, Sea of Thieves, Recore, and Cuphead all look really cool! I should buy an Xbox one!"

"Why? Just get those games on PC..."

The percentage of high profile Xbox One exclusives that are coming or have already come to PC is huge and if the current trends are anything to go by more will come.

There is a very big difference between the things we're talking about here.

 

And the situation you described is no big deal because its extremely rare. Thats why Gears is already on PC. Thats why other deals always include PC releases. Thats why MicroS. y can charge for online play while PC has it free. Thats why the consoles digital stores can be loaded with high priced games while the PC market gets them for massive discounts.

The overlap just isnt there. So yeah, the worry about it and the doom and gloom isnt really neccessary  



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"Microsoft reaffirms ReCore for 2016"

Why are they doing this to themselves?



LudicrousSpeed said:
Normchacho said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
I know it helps in list warz but Idk why people still make a big deal about games coming to PC. "bububut ppl who sell xboxs will be pissed" uh, no they wont. Think back on all the deals console companies have made that keep games off their competitors platforms but include a PC release. It's not nearly as bug a deal as people make it out to be.

I mean, there's a reason SFV and No Man's Sky are coming to PC too.

It has nothing to do with list wars. The more exclusives MS brings to PC the less exclusives the Xbox One has. To illustrate;

"Man, Gears of War: UE, Dead Rising 3, Halo Wars, Killer Instinct, Sea of Thieves, Recore, and Cuphead all look really cool! I should buy an Xbox one!"

"Why? Just get those games on PC..."

The percentage of high profile Xbox One exclusives that are coming or have already come to PC is huge and if the current trends are anything to go by more will come.

There is a very big difference between the things we're talking about here.

 

And the situation you described is no big deal because its extremely rare. Thats why Gears is already on PC. Thats why other deals always include PC releases. Thats why MicroS. y can charge for online play while PC has it free. Thats why the consoles digital stores can be loaded with high priced games while the PC market gets them for massive discounts.

The overlap just isnt there. So yeah, the worry about it and the doom and gloom isnt really neccessary  

Agree 1000%. Some folks (a lot) just want to play on console period. So making the games for PC as well is just more money in the bank for MS, and doesn't hurt Xbox in any meaningful way.





I think this will be common trend for Microsoft. They will probably release Xbox service for PC next gen instead of another console. So they are building relationship at first for their service with good titles.



LudicrousSpeed said:
I know it helps in list warz but Idk why people still make a big deal about games coming to PC. "bububut ppl who sell xboxs will be pissed" uh, no they wont. Think back on all the deals console companies have made that keep games off their competitors platforms but include a PC release. It's not nearly as bug a deal as people make it out to be.

I mean, there's a reason SFV and No Man's Sky are coming to PC too.

It matters because as more and more people get PCs capable of playing these games, the X1's value diminishes. Right now it certainly seems to matters less than having the game on a competing console, but it's hard for us to say much past that point. We don't have the data necessary to come to firm conclusions.

Speaking personally, the uncertainty around how much MS are going to commit to PC gaming is what pushed me to postpone my purchase of an X1 until things are clearer. I buy consoles explicitly for the exclusives, and i don't mind waiting for them. How many end up on PC will directly influence whether i buy an X1 or not. Maybe i'm a one off, maybe there are many like me. It's hard to be sure right now.

Anyway, I doubt it matters a tremendous amount to MS. Even if their W10 gaming strategy does eat away at Xbox, they'd still be making their money, just from a different avenue. To anyone who is a console-focused gamer though (of which there are many on VGC), anything that could affect Sony, MS, or Nintendo's success in the console space is relevant discussion, and will inevitably come up every time news like this pops up (if not always for the right reasons). It just happens to be a discussion some of us are a bit bored of :p



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daredevil.shark said:
I think this will be common trend for Microsoft. They will probably release Xbox service for PC next gen instead of another console. So they are building relationship at first for their service with good titles.

I can't see MS abandoning consoles that quickly. Even if they do decide PC is the future for their gaming division, it would still make sense to have a foot in the console market. The generation after that? Who knows.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Normchacho said:

It has nothing to do with list wars. The more exclusives MS brings to PC the less exclusives the Xbox One has. To illustrate;

"Man, Gears of War: UE, Dead Rising 3, Halo Wars, Killer Instinct, Sea of Thieves, Recore, and Cuphead all look really cool! I should buy an Xbox one!"

"Why? Just get those games on PC..."

The percentage of high profile Xbox One exclusives that are coming or have already come to PC is huge and if the current trends are anything to go by more will come.

There is a very big difference between the things we're talking about here.

 

And the situation you described is no big deal because its extremely rare. Thats why Gears is already on PC. Thats why other deals always include PC releases. Thats why MicroS. y can charge for online play while PC has it free. Thats why the consoles digital stores can be loaded with high priced games while the PC market gets them for massive discounts.

The overlap just isnt there. So yeah, the worry about it and the doom and gloom isnt really neccessary  

 

How do you know how prevelant the overlap is? If the overlap is so small, then why hold back any games at all? You don't think there was money to be made by bringing Halo 5 or Forza 6 to PC? You don't think any of it had to do with Phil Spencer being able to stand on a stage and say "Doesn't this new Halo game look sweet? Want it? Then buy an Xbox One!"? Because remember, it's not just PC/Console overlap. The marketing weight of being able to call a game exclusive without an asterisk next to it means something. How much more buzz would there have been if Shenmue III, or Kojimas new game, or even NMS, had been full PS4 exclusives?

What doom and gloom? I said that having those games on PC was good for MS. It's also better for gamers and the devs since more people get to play those games. The only negative thing I said was that it makes the Xbox One a harder sell and I stand by that. The smaller it's exclusive list gets the less reasons there are to buy one.

And on a more personal note, I'm glad these games are coming to PC because it means I can play them without having to buy another console. I plan on picking up Ori the next time it goes on sale, I'm really excited for Cuphead, I'll be getting Gears Ultimate when it comes out, and I'm really happy to hear that Recore is coming to PC so that I can get it.

I'd also totally buy Forza and Halo games for PC if MS would let me (incase Phil Spencer has wondered way off the beaten path and is reading this).



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Zekkyou said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Speaking personally, the uncertainty around how much MS are going to commit to PC gaming is what pushed me to postpone my purchase of an X1 until things are clearer. I buy consoles explicitly for the exclusives, and i don't mind waiting for them. How many end up on PC will directly influence whether i buy an X1 or not. Maybe i'm a one off, maybe there are many like me. It's hard to be sure right now.


 

This is pretty much why I brought it up. I literaly just today (yesterday now) had the opportunity to buy an Xbox One for $200 and that's a good deal especially since I can think of a decent number of games that I would want that are either out or on the way for the system. What stopped me was that over half of them are also either on or coming to PC. Do I want Halo and Forza? Yup. Do I $200 plus $60 a year for live plus having to find space for another system want Halo and Forza? Nope.

I'm the overlap.



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Chazore said:
Normchacho said:

No, like I said, it works great for MS to sell games on both Xbox and PC. The money is in software anyways.

MS should keep doing what they're doing, it's up to people to realize that MS isn't going to hold the same type of place in the home console space that Sony does. Because their strategy is different.



I've always felt from the moment they entered the console market that they weren't going to be an exact replica of Sony since they came from a different market entirely to begin with. People just have to come to terms with how MS started out and where they are trying to fit in to.



And this why i cant support MS. If you love console gaming why you should support them? You know where its going if they would win a console generation, 





Normchacho said:

How do you know how prevelant the overlap is?

History, and logic. Again, you only need look at all the deals MicroSony makes with third party publishers. If the PC market were as big a competitor or nearly as big as PS4, then Microsoft would have had longer than a 2 month exclusive window for Tomb Raider. Two months for PC, twelve months for PS4. Makes sense. And Sony would have made sure SFV never came to PC. But they don't care. It won't impact the massive sales it will get on PS4. You can go on and on. The original Tomb Raider deal Sony signed to make the franchise Playstation exclusive. On consoles anyway. There were still PC versions.

And I'm glad you think you're in the overlap. You're also a hardcore gamer, so you're far more inclined to be in that overlap. But understand you're still a big minority.