pleaserecycle said: AAA300 said: Because gameboy/advance and ds/3ds prove them dead wrong.   This thread has mostly referred to Nintendo home consoles. Handhelds are an entirely different beast. I probably should have prefaced my posts with home console tags, but I assumed it was given based on the context.

 

The Wii proves you wrong. There is no way you can know exactly how many were core gamers and how many were casual gamers that bought it. The sales of the WiiU or the GC doesnt reflect in any way how many core gamers owned a Wii.

KLXVER said: pleaserecycle said:   This thread has mostly referred to Nintendo home consoles. Handhelds are an entirely different beast. I probably should have prefaced my posts with home console tags, but I assumed it was given based on the context.   The Wii proves you wrong. There is no way you can know exactly how many were core gamers and how many were casual gamers that bought it. The sales of the WiiU or the GC doesnt reflect in any way how many core gamers owned a Wii.

 

The Wii is an exception to a downward trending Nintendo home console slump. I attempted to provide context, which may or may not be accurate, on why the Wii sold so much better than other Nintendo home consoles. It's much more plausible to assume the trend and explain the Wii than to assume that Wii is the standard and explain the trend..

pleaserecycle said: KLXVER said:   The Wii proves you wrong. There is no way you can know exactly how many were core gamers and how many were casual gamers that bought it. The sales of the WiiU or the GC doesnt reflect in any way how many core gamers owned a Wii.   The Wii is an exception to a downward trending Nintendo home console slump. I attempted to provide context, which may or may not be accurate, on why the Wii sold so much better than other Nintendo home consoles. It's much more plausible to assume the trend and explain the Wii than to assume that Wii is the standard and explain the trend..

 

So what is the standard to Sony then? Because they have been declining since the PS2.

KLXVER said: pleaserecycle said: KLXVER said:   The Wii proves you wrong. There is no way you can know exactly how many were core gamers and how many were casual gamers that bought it. The sales of the WiiU or the GC doesnt reflect in any way how many core gamers owned a Wii.   The Wii is an exception to a downward trending Nintendo home console slump. I attempted to provide context, which may or may not be accurate, on why the Wii sold so much better than other Nintendo home consoles. It's much more plausible to assume the trend and explain the Wii than to assume that Wii is the standard and explain the trend..   So what is the standard to Sony then? Because they have been declining since the PS2.

 

I feel like you're not interested in actively discussing this because you're just attempting to provide counterexamples that aren't directly relevant to my statements. Is there a correlation between Playstation sales trends and Nintendo home console trends that I'm missing? There doesn't have to be a trend, but it's interesting whenever one appears. I apologize if I've misjudged your intentions, though.

vivster said: I don't think Wii U failed. It just performed on curve with the dwindling core Nintendo fanbase. The success of the Wii just makes it look like a failure but we all know that was just the motion casual accident that helped it perform way above its actual potential. The Wii just gave people a false sense of the actual fan power Nintendo had and the Wii U fixed that. NES - 62m SNES - 50m N64 - 33m GC - 22m Wii - 17m (casual adjusted) Wii U - 14m Looks like a fine curve to me. Wii U's numbers aren't the problem, people's expectations are.

Is there really a way to prove that console sales (Nintendo's in particular) are mostly from the core fanbase?

I am not convinced that's the reason.  To be honest, I think it's a lot more complex of an issue.  If it were so simple that someone here could easily come up with some fix just like that, no one would struggle to sell systems.

edit: I only just realized that I'm not completely targeting this to you, but to some other people who use this downward trend to make some kind of point.

pleaserecycle said:                                                                                                                                                                                                                         I feel like you're not interested in actively discussing this because you're just attempting to provide counterexamples that aren't directly relevant to my statements. Is there a correlation between Playstation sales trends and Nintendo home console trends that I'm missing? There doesn't have to be a trend, but it's interesting whenever one appears. I apologize if I've misjudged your intentions, though.

 

There was a trend...from the NES to the GC. The Wii changed that. If the NX sell less than the WiiU, then we might have another trend.

KLXVER said: pleaserecycle said:                                                                                                                                                                                                                         I feel like you're not interested in actively discussing this because you're just attempting to provide counterexamples that aren't directly relevant to my statements. Is there a correlation between Playstation sales trends and Nintendo home console trends that I'm missing? There doesn't have to be a trend, but it's interesting whenever one appears. I apologize if I've misjudged your intentions, though.                                       There was a trend...from the NES to the GC. The Wii changed that. If the NX sell less than the WiiU, then we might have another trend.

 

I see it as one trend with the Wii as an outlier.

http://i.imgur.com/msNwFqb.jpg

To reiterate my previous points - Nintendo home console sales have been declining. When we look at the entire dataset, it becomes apparent that the Wii was an outlier; it sold almost twice as many units as any other Nintendo home console. If the Wii U exceeded GameCube sales it would have been difficult to appropriately fit the data. Instead, it falls below GameCube sales and continues the trend set before the Wii.

Nintendo's appeal has been mostly in the handheld market for the last 20 years with the exception of the Wii. The Wii was Nintendo's most exciting console outside of the NES, nothing else really came close. Even though the DS sold better overall, Wiis were largely bought for multiple people to play whereas DSs were usually only played by one person a piece.

Overall, Nintendo hasn't really had much in the way of an exciting home console outside of Wii and NES, the success of SNES was largely due to it being the status quo, it wasn't anything special like the NES. The N64 should have flopped, it was a terrible system that used cartridges, and PSX had Resident Evil 2, Gran Turismo, and Final Fantasy 7, it was much more exciting than either the N64 or SNES. The GameCube did flop because it was completely unappealing to anyone except children who were looking for a children's version of Playetation 2, because that's all it was, Playstation 2 was exciting because of Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, GTA3, Vice City, and San Andreas. . The Wii was something very unique with new methods of control including motion, IR, and classic inputs, and usurped the throne from Playstation as being the most exciting platform, and as a result, stomped it. Wii U didn't excite anyone, there are no flagship titles on it outside of Mario Kart 8, it is missing a proper Mario game and a proper Zelda game is coming 4 years too late.

MDMAlliance said: I am not convinced that's the reason.  To be honest, I think it's a lot more complex of an issue.  If it were so simple that someone here could easily come up with some fix just like that, no one would struggle to sell systems.

I agree with this. That home console sales trend gets regurgitated so often, but it's so hard to take seriously when you consider it's basically just six points gathered over a matter of decades...one of which is being dismissed just because. It seems to me that blaming the problem on one single trend is severely oversimplyifing the issue.

...because Nintendo wanted the Wii U to take root... : D Oh wait, someone made that joke already..

Seriously though, I agree with posts 1, 2, and 3. Lack of 3rd party is hurting Ninten rather badly. People need a large amount of games to warrent their purchase, and it is just not there on Ninten consoles. Getting 3rd party games isn't enough though. They need to get exclusives to get people interested, even if they have to buy them. If you can get 3rd party games anywhere else, why would people bother to get a Ninten console?

Also, sure, graphics aren't needed to make an excellent game, but let's face it, graphics matter more than ever now. There is a standard now in gaming for visuals. If your games don't reach these standards, people probably won't be very interested in them... So Ninten needs to bump up the specs on their consoles to meet the standards of 3rd parties and get those visually stunning games on their consoles.

And 3 goes hand in hand with just needing a lot of games. The more games you have, the better, and droubts don't help. If they can get tons more games coming, that would be great for them.

4 I don't really agree, as games are games, as long as we get some good to decent ones. Visuals go with 2, pricing disappears when you have the games to back it up, and Amiibo, well, they are their own thing, so I don't think they fit in here.

My 2 cents! O: