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Super_Boom on 03 January 2016
Darc Requiem said:
Super_Boom said:
Finally got around to seeing it today.

It had some problems...but I enjoyed it for the most part. It felt a lot more like the original trilogy, which appealed to me more, as the prequels felt pretty generic to me. The less CGI the better.

I liked most of the new characters, particularly Finn and Poe. I realized pretty early that Rey was going to be a complete Mary Sue...which kinda makes me worried for the next two movies. I really don't care for perfect characters who never screw up and get power-ups for no reason...so I really hope there is more to her character than what we've seen so far.

I suppose her character is my only big gripe, which isn't big enough to keep me from watching the next movie, and probably not enough to make me post about it anywhere other than this one post on a gaming forum.

So basically she is just like Anakin and Luke. 9 year old Anakin hops in a Naboo Fighter for his first time and takes out the Droid Control Station. Luke hops in an X-Wing with no experience and shoots an unguided shot into a small exhaust port at high speed with his eyes closed. The lead characters in Star Wars are always Mary Sues. 

 

Yeah, that was also ridiculous...though it seemed like Luke and Anakin held the newbie status for a while at least. Rey just seemed like she knew everything right away. I remember thinking while watching, "Man...does this girl ever screw up?" It seemed like Finn held that status more...which is probably why I liked his character more. It seemed like there's a lot more room for character growth on his part.

That being said, it might just be that Rey is just a different character than I was expecting...just also not one I can really connect with as a viewer.



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Scoobes on 03 January 2016
DakonBlackblade said:
padib said:

Im not even 1 bit excited neither for rogue One nor for the Han Solo movie. I feel like its rather pointless to tell me how the Rebels got the Death Star plans, I dont realy care tbh. None of the characters in that movie will realy matter, they are all already dead or faded into oblivion and I feel like this wil lack a lot of Star Warness in it and will play more like a war movie.

The han Solo movie I believe will be even more pointless story, how does knowing what Han Solo used to do when he was young helps moving the lore and/or the universe foward.

Darc Requiem said:

So basically she is just like Anakin and Luke. 9 year old Anakin hops in a Naboo Fighter for his first time and takes out the Droid Control Station. Luke hops in an X-Wing with no experience and shoots an unguided shot into a small exhaust port at high speed with his eyes closed. The lead characters in Star Wars are always Mary Sues.

Shes less impossible than they are actualy cause she actualy had training, the Force is enhancing her already honed skills, Luke had 0 experience flying an X-wing and Anakin was 9, Rey was already a pilot. The 1 problem (and what I think sent most ppl who complain over the edge) is the Mind Trick. They need to explain that one better, I believe that she has had previous jedi training or at least have contact with jedi lore before so she knew that could work. If she just randonly tried a mind trick without knowing it was possible to mind controll ppl beforehand is a bit forced.

 

@ bolded

It was quite clear that the Jedi had mythical stories being told about them from the past. It's not totally unexpected that Rey would attempt the mind trick after hearing it in passing and coming to the realisation she may have some ability with the Force after the Lightsaber incident.

I also think she had Jedi training when she was younger but left on Jakku to keep her in hiding. My suspicion is she is the last survivor of Luke's Jedi training group but that she was too young to consciously recall being trained in some of the basics.

OT:

Finally saw it yesterday. Personally I think pople are being too harsh on the film. I thought it did a perfectly good job of giving a nod to the originals whilst introducing a new cast and effectively passing the torch. It was a great way of leading up to the next two films. A lot of the complaints I've read on this suggest you should never have liked Star Wars in the first place as the same complaints can be levelled at any of the films.

It was handled a lot better than the prequels which each had a number of rediculously cringy moments.




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MichaelH on 03 January 2016
DevilRising said:
I wouldn't say it "sucks". But it did come off exactly as I feared it would the moment I heard that they threw Lucas' ACTUAL Episode VII story treatment out the window: as bad fan-fiction. And you can thank Mr. Abrams for that, as he helped re-write the script.

I honestly enjoyed the prequels, and for their many flaws, things they NEVER did that this new film does, include NOT having any just outright blatantly stupid/ridiculous plot elements. Certain things certain whiny fanboys didn't care for? Sure, aplenty. But nothing that just smacks you in the face with "REALLY?" Such as a *SPOILERS* sun-sucking planet-turned-deathstar, that can shoot megabeams ACROSS ENTIRE MULTIPLE SYSTEMS, and then split in five just because and blow several planets up at once. Just because. That literally comes off as something a five year old would write: "Well THIS time, we're going to have an even BIGGER Death Star, and THIS time, it's gonna suck in entire SUNS, even though it's a LIVING PLANET with snow and trees, because that TOTALLY is feasible, and then it's going to shoot lasers across space SO BIG that you'll be able to see the beam in the sky from another planet FAR AWAY, and then the beam is gonna split in FIVE because it's THAT ADVANCED, and blow everything up without so much as a moment of ceremony.....because.....well because."

Or perhaps Finn, the guy who was kidnapped as a kid and raised/conditioned his ENTIRE LIFE to be a Storm Trooper, yet once he breaks away, he displays NO actual symtoms or struggles with said conditioning, which would have made for an ACTUALLY compelling character. Instead, he just acted scared, cracked out of place jokes, and made sure to fit in a couple of "token black guy" moments, like going all Will Smith in the absolutely-no-reason-to-actually-exist Captain Phasma's face. Which, by the way, was also totally out of place.

The movie came off like an episode of a Joss Whedon show, with SO much humor, much of it forced, and SO many constant wink/nod/nudges to remind you that "HEY, this is just like the OLD Star Wars, RIGHT?", that it got old really fast.


There were GOOD things about the movie....but to me, the BAD things about it really drown them out. It was not well written, most of the new characters outside of Rey were pointless, and the movie was just one vague allusion after another, plotwise, while at the same time being a carbon copy of Episode IV.

Say what you will about the prequels. I myself agree they used TOO much CGI, and that the romantic acting moments seemed stiff/forced, as if they didn't get enough takes or something. And there WERE a couple of "HUH?" moments, like never seeing the Jedi even question Anakin about what happened with his mother and the Sand People, and what he did to them. But the one thing you CAN say about the prequels, is that they told original stories, they WERE actually trying to tell their own story, and were not just pandering to fans of the original trilogy, they weren't just stuffed with fan-service to make people cheer.

And honestly, I think that once people take the "Star Wars glasses" off, and look at this film with a sober mindset, most of them will realize that they don't think it's so "GREAT" after all, but rather, they were blinded by the constant fan-service. That is not what a new Star Wars film should be. If they were GOING to bother making a new trilogy, they should have kept Lucas on-board as a consultant, as originally planned, and actually STUCK to his original stories for them, as originally planned.

I will always wonder what he actually intended to happen, instead of whatever fanboy bullshit that Abrams and Co. managed to concoct. And to think Disney tries to tell us that all of the EU shit is no longer "canon", even though Lucas once said at least some of it was, and yet we're expected to buy that THIS is canon, and is somehow "better" (When it clearly isn't). I didn't like the Thrawn Trilogy concept, unlike so many fans, but I would rather have had THAT been adapted, than what they've come up with so far.

I'm just glad Abrams won't be writing/directing the next two.....so hopefully they might drop the fan-service shit, an some of the ridiculous five year old style ideas, and possibly get a bit better. But I honestly have very little enthusiasm for them after seeing this, which is too bad. I had a very bad feeling after Lucas sold to Disney, that the franchise was just going to be whored out and watered down, and so far, sadly, that seems to be playing out.

 

While I still think that everyone is taking TFA far too seriously I would like to opine that this is, by far, the best contribution to the ongoing conversation thus far.



Lucas-Rio on 03 January 2016
Scoobes said:
DakonBlackblade said:

 

@ bolded

It was quite clear that the Jedi had mythical stories being told about them from the past. It's not totally unexpected that Rey would attempt the mind trick after hearing it in passing and coming to the realisation she may have some ability with the Force after the Lightsaber incident.

I also think she had Jedi training when she was younger but left on Jakku to keep her in hiding. My suspicion is she is the last survivor of Luke's Jedi training group but that she was too young to consciously recall being trained in some of the basics.

OT:

Finally saw it yesterday. Personally I think pople are being too harsh on the film. I thought it did a perfectly good job of giving a nod to the originals whilst introducing a new cast and effectively passing the torch. It was a great way of leading up to the next two films. A lot of the complaints I've read on this suggest you should never have liked Star Wars in the first place as the same complaints can be levelled at any of the films.

It was handled a lot better than the prequels which each had a number of rediculously cringy moments.


The problem is that the new characters are really bland and unintesresting.

Kylo Ren is a joke compared to Vador. It's not even close.



Soundwave on 03 January 2016
DevilRising said:
I wouldn't say it "sucks". But it did come off exactly as I feared it would the moment I heard that they threw Lucas' ACTUAL Episode VII story treatment out the window: as bad fan-fiction. And you can thank Mr. Abrams for that, as he helped re-write the script.

I honestly enjoyed the prequels, and for their many flaws, things they NEVER did that this new film does, include NOT having any just outright blatantly stupid/ridiculous plot elements. Certain things certain whiny fanboys didn't care for? Sure, aplenty. But nothing that just smacks you in the face with "REALLY?" Such as a *SPOILERS* sun-sucking planet-turned-deathstar, that can shoot megabeams ACROSS ENTIRE MULTIPLE SYSTEMS, and then split in five just because and blow several planets up at once. Just because. That literally comes off as something a five year old would write: "Well THIS time, we're going to have an even BIGGER Death Star, and THIS time, it's gonna suck in entire SUNS, even though it's a LIVING PLANET with snow and trees, because that TOTALLY is feasible, and then it's going to shoot lasers across space SO BIG that you'll be able to see the beam in the sky from another planet FAR AWAY, and then the beam is gonna split in FIVE because it's THAT ADVANCED, and blow everything up without so much as a moment of ceremony.....because.....well because."

Or perhaps Finn, the guy who was kidnapped as a kid and raised/conditioned his ENTIRE LIFE to be a Storm Trooper, yet once he breaks away, he displays NO actual symtoms or struggles with said conditioning, which would have made for an ACTUALLY compelling character. Instead, he just acted scared, cracked out of place jokes, and made sure to fit in a couple of "token black guy" moments, like going all Will Smith in the absolutely-no-reason-to-actually-exist Captain Phasma's face. Which, by the way, was also totally out of place.

The movie came off like an episode of a Joss Whedon show, with SO much humor, much of it forced, and SO many constant wink/nod/nudges to remind you that "HEY, this is just like the OLD Star Wars, RIGHT?", that it got old really fast.


There were GOOD things about the movie....but to me, the BAD things about it really drown them out. It was not well written, most of the new characters outside of Rey were pointless, and the movie was just one vague allusion after another, plotwise, while at the same time being a carbon copy of Episode IV.

Say what you will about the prequels. I myself agree they used TOO much CGI, and that the romantic acting moments seemed stiff/forced, as if they didn't get enough takes or something. And there WERE a couple of "HUH?" moments, like never seeing the Jedi even question Anakin about what happened with his mother and the Sand People, and what he did to them. But the one thing you CAN say about the prequels, is that they told original stories, they WERE actually trying to tell their own story, and were not just pandering to fans of the original trilogy, they weren't just stuffed with fan-service to make people cheer.

And honestly, I think that once people take the "Star Wars glasses" off, and look at this film with a sober mindset, most of them will realize that they don't think it's so "GREAT" after all, but rather, they were blinded by the constant fan-service. That is not what a new Star Wars film should be. If they were GOING to bother making a new trilogy, they should have kept Lucas on-board as a consultant, as originally planned, and actually STUCK to his original stories for them, as originally planned.

I will always wonder what he actually intended to happen, instead of whatever fanboy bullshit that Abrams and Co. managed to concoct. And to think Disney tries to tell us that all of the EU shit is no longer "canon", even though Lucas once said at least some of it was, and yet we're expected to buy that THIS is canon, and is somehow "better" (When it clearly isn't). I didn't like the Thrawn Trilogy concept, unlike so many fans, but I would rather have had THAT been adapted, than what they've come up with so far.

I'm just glad Abrams won't be writing/directing the next two.....so hopefully they might drop the fan-service shit, an some of the ridiculous five year old style ideas, and possibly get a bit better. But I honestly have very little enthusiasm for them after seeing this, which is too bad. I had a very bad feeling after Lucas sold to Disney, that the franchise was just going to be whored out and watered down, and so far, sadly, that seems to be playing out.

 

C'mon. If you were able to "enjoy" midichlorians, a character dying LITERALLY of a broken heart (lol), a cartoon rabbit stepping in Star Wars dog shit, a 9 year-old who can race pods at 1000 mph and blow up command ships with no problem, and no real relationship in the prequels between Anakin and Obi-Wan (which pretty much defeats the entire purpose of the prequels, and no, don't give me that "yeah but watch the Clone Wars" bullshit, I shouldn't have to watch a TV show for that), etc. etc. 

Lucas is the one that screwed up Star Wars. This movie had to reboot and recenter the franchise from the dog crap heap it became in the prequels. 

No Abrams is not perfect, but at least his Star Wars movie had characters that felt like real human beings, not freaking robots, or more embarrassingly A-grade Hollywood actors looking like they're in a play written by a 7th grader. 

I'd like to have Lucas write the movies, sure. But 1980 Lucas (and his collaborators), not 1990s/2000s Lucas who clearly had became a shell of his former self who was obsessed with making CGI cartoons and completely neglected things like story and character relationships in his movies. 

TFA already has four (FOUR) characters will more personality, believability than any of prequels did (Rey, Finn, Poe, and even BB-8 a *robot* emotes more realistically than Anakin or Padme did). 



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Lucas-Rio on 03 January 2016
Soundwave said:
DevilRising said:
I wouldn't say it "sucks". But it did come off exactly as I feared it would the moment I heard that they threw Lucas' ACTUAL Episode VII story treatment out the window: as bad fan-fiction. And you can thank Mr. Abrams for that, as he helped re-write the script.

I honestly enjoyed the prequels, and for their many flaws, things they NEVER did that this new film does, include NOT having any just outright blatantly stupid/ridiculous plot elements. Certain things certain whiny fanboys didn't care for? Sure, aplenty. But nothing that just smacks you in the face with "REALLY?" Such as a *SPOILERS* sun-sucking planet-turned-deathstar, that can shoot megabeams ACROSS ENTIRE MULTIPLE SYSTEMS, and then split in five just because and blow several planets up at once. Just because. That literally comes off as something a five year old would write: "Well THIS time, we're going to have an even BIGGER Death Star, and THIS time, it's gonna suck in entire SUNS, even though it's a LIVING PLANET with snow and trees, because that TOTALLY is feasible, and then it's going to shoot lasers across space SO BIG that you'll be able to see the beam in the sky from another planet FAR AWAY, and then the beam is gonna split in FIVE because it's THAT ADVANCED, and blow everything up without so much as a moment of ceremony.....because.....well because."

Or perhaps Finn, the guy who was kidnapped as a kid and raised/conditioned his ENTIRE LIFE to be a Storm Trooper, yet once he breaks away, he displays NO actual symtoms or struggles with said conditioning, which would have made for an ACTUALLY compelling character. Instead, he just acted scared, cracked out of place jokes, and made sure to fit in a couple of "token black guy" moments, like going all Will Smith in the absolutely-no-reason-to-actually-exist Captain Phasma's face. Which, by the way, was also totally out of place.

The movie came off like an episode of a Joss Whedon show, with SO much humor, much of it forced, and SO many constant wink/nod/nudges to remind you that "HEY, this is just like the OLD Star Wars, RIGHT?", that it got old really fast.


There were GOOD things about the movie....but to me, the BAD things about it really drown them out. It was not well written, most of the new characters outside of Rey were pointless, and the movie was just one vague allusion after another, plotwise, while at the same time being a carbon copy of Episode IV.

Say what you will about the prequels. I myself agree they used TOO much CGI, and that the romantic acting moments seemed stiff/forced, as if they didn't get enough takes or something. And there WERE a couple of "HUH?" moments, like never seeing the Jedi even question Anakin about what happened with his mother and the Sand People, and what he did to them. But the one thing you CAN say about the prequels, is that they told original stories, they WERE actually trying to tell their own story, and were not just pandering to fans of the original trilogy, they weren't just stuffed with fan-service to make people cheer.

And honestly, I think that once people take the "Star Wars glasses" off, and look at this film with a sober mindset, most of them will realize that they don't think it's so "GREAT" after all, but rather, they were blinded by the constant fan-service. That is not what a new Star Wars film should be. If they were GOING to bother making a new trilogy, they should have kept Lucas on-board as a consultant, as originally planned, and actually STUCK to his original stories for them, as originally planned.

I will always wonder what he actually intended to happen, instead of whatever fanboy bullshit that Abrams and Co. managed to concoct. And to think Disney tries to tell us that all of the EU shit is no longer "canon", even though Lucas once said at least some of it was, and yet we're expected to buy that THIS is canon, and is somehow "better" (When it clearly isn't). I didn't like the Thrawn Trilogy concept, unlike so many fans, but I would rather have had THAT been adapted, than what they've come up with so far.

I'm just glad Abrams won't be writing/directing the next two.....so hopefully they might drop the fan-service shit, an some of the ridiculous five year old style ideas, and possibly get a bit better. But I honestly have very little enthusiasm for them after seeing this, which is too bad. I had a very bad feeling after Lucas sold to Disney, that the franchise was just going to be whored out and watered down, and so far, sadly, that seems to be playing out.

 

C'mon. If you were able to "enjoy" midichlorians, a character dying LITERALLY of a broken heart (lol), a cartoon rabbit stepping in Star Wars dog shit, a 9 year-old who can race pods at 1000 mph and blow up command ships with no problem, and no real relationship in the prequels between Anakin and Obi-Wan (which pretty much defeats the entire purpose of the prequels, and no, don't give me that "yeah but watch the Clone Wars" bullshit, I shouldn't have to watch a TV show for that), etc. etc. 

Lucas is the one that screwed up Star Wars. This movie had to reboot and recenter the franchise from the dog crap heap it became in the prequels. 

No Abrams is not perfect, but at least his Star Wars movie had characters that felt like real human beings, not freaking robots, or more embarrassingly A-grade Hollywood actors looking like they're in a play written by a 7th grader. 

I'd like to have Lucas write the movies, sure. But 1980 Lucas (and his collaborators), not 1990s/2000s Lucas who clearly had became a shell of his former self who was obsessed with making CGI cartoons and completely neglected things like story and character relationships in his movies. 

TFA already has four (FOUR) characters will more personality, believability than any of prequels did (Rey, Finn, Poe, and even BB-8 a *robot* emotes more realistically than Anakin or Padme did). 


Padme was awful, I will agree with that.

But Finn is non existant and Rey is a bad mix of Luke, Leia, and Solo. Not a good hero.

The only good character the new serie has introduced is BB-8 and it's telling. Even Darth Maul crushes Kylo Ren in charisma despite not speaking. The prequel had amazing moments despite having to follow an already written story. In special effects the prequels crush TFA despite being 10-15 years older.... Yoda/Emperor and Obiwan/Anakin were breathtaking.

The main good things of TFA is the thing they straight copied from the first Star Wars. What they added is bad. Solo saved the first movie in the acting. He won't be there to save the second.

If if get more crybaby love between Rey and Finn....



Soundwave on 03 January 2016
Lucas-Rio said:

Padme was awful, I will agree with that.

But Finn is non existant and Rey is a bad mix of Luke, Leia, and Solo. Not a good hero.

The only good character the new serie has introduced is BB-8 and it's telling. Even Darth Maul crushes Kylo Ren in charisma despite not speaking. The prequel had amazing moments despite having to follow an already written story. In special effects the prequels crush TFA despite being 10-15 years older.... Yoda/Emperor and Obiwan/Anakin were breathtaking.

The main good things of TFA is the thing they straight copied from the first Star Wars. What they added is bad. Solo saved the first movie in the acting. He won't be there to save the second.

If if get more crybaby love between Rey and Finn....

You could have replaced Natalie Portman with a cardboard cut out in the prequels and it wouldn't have made no difference. She wasn't bad. Padme was A TERRIBLE, HORRIBLE character. George Lucas had no idea what he was doing with that character whatsoever.

I'm not even joking when I say literally Megan Fox's character was better in the Transformers movies. 

Finn's the "regular joe" character, him being nervous or not superpowered doesn't make him a "bad character" ... his character is written that way on purpose to serve a need. 

This is called STORY ... TELLING. See this type of character allows "JOE PUBLIC who doesn't give a fuck about spaceships and lightsabers" to also be engaged in the movie because there's a normal person in the movie that they can relate to. 

Unlike having a movie filled with Jedi who have the personality of a rock and aren't relatable to any human being. 

The prequels were cartoons. And not even well done cartoon as the cartoon Clone Wars series outdoes it in every way. 

TFA returns Star Wars to its HUMAN, live action roots. Star Wars was always more of a Western with very human characters not CGI buffonary, Lucas completely forgot about this. 

To be honest I wonder if Lucas just fluked out with A New Hope, because Empire and Jedi were colloborations with other writers/directors that likely kept a lot of Lucas awful ideas at bay. Look at the new Indiana Jones too ... it SUCKED, because Lucas insisted on a script that was garbage and that Harrison Ford and Steven Spielberg didn't even like. They just agreed on it because Harrison Ford would've been freaking dead by the time they could roll on another Indiana Jones movie if they didn't all agree. 



Lucas-Rio on 03 January 2016
Soundwave said:

You could have replaced Natalie Portman with a cardboard cut out in the prequels and it wouldn't have made no difference. She wasn't bad. Padme was A TERRIBLE, HORRIBLE character. George Lucas had no idea what he was doing with that character whatsoever.

I'm not even joking when I say literally Megan Fox's character was better in the Transformers movies. 

Finn's the "regular joe" character, him being nervous or not superpowered doesn't make him a "bad character" ... his character is written that way on purpose to serve a need. 

This is called STORY ... TELLING. See this type of character allows "JOE PUBLIC who doesn't give a fuck about spaceships and lightsabers" to also be engaged in the movie because there's a normal person in the movie that they can relate to. 

Unlike having a movie filled with Jedi who have the personality of a rock and aren't relatable to any human being. 

The prequels were cartoons. And not even well done cartoon as the cartoon Clone Wars series outdoes it in every way. 

TFA returns Star Wars to its HUMAN, live action roots. Star Wars was always more of a Western with very human characters not CGI buffonary, Lucas completely forgot about this. 

To be honest I wonder if Lucas just fluked out with A New Hope, because Empire and Jedi were colloborations with other writers/directors that likely kept a lot of Lucas awful ideas at bay. Look at the new Indiana Jones too ... it SUCKED, because Lucas insisted on a script that was garbage and that Harrison Ford and Steven Spielberg didn't even like. They just agreed on it because Harrison Ford would've been freaking dead by the time they could roll on another Indiana Jones movie if they didn't all agree. 

 

I already agree that Padme was a terrible character. Its only purpose was to help understand why Anakin turned to the dark side. Their scenes were easily the worst  part of the prequels.

The prequels aren't cartoon, they are scifi movies with really impressive special effetcts and some really really cool moments. The story was tied to explain the rise of the empire and Anakin becoming Vador.

For The Force Awakens, thet had no limitations, and what is the results?

It's basically a remake of a New Hope, but where everything new is bad and underwhelming while the only strong points are things from the past. (droids, stormtroopers, Han Solo, the new deathstar).

But the new characters are a huge letdowns:

I don't care about JOE PUBLIC, that's the kind of worries that only Disney marketing teams should have. I see that the films has been made by people who wanted to cash in and make the most money. The film should have costed less to make and will bring higher revenues. Star Wars isn't at the cutting edge of the technology anymore, because maketers are the one calling the shot now.

That's why we have to endure a bland and completely useless character like Finn, aka Rey boyfriend,  and why we have to endure an emo teenagers as the main villain. Kylo Ren will appeal to the one direction crowd.

Overall it's still a decent movie, but only because it copy so much from the past movies. Everything new inside is meh at best.

By the way, the prequels introduced some cool characters in the first movie like: Qui Gon, Darth Maul and Mace Windu. All characters introduces here are shit like Snoke and Kylo Ren, useless like Fynn or average like Rey.



Soundwave on 03 January 2016

Let me just add to my last post because I think it warrants adding on to ...

George Lucas post-Star Wars is the same guy that

- Thought Howard the Duck was a great idea.

- Thought an Indiana Jones movie with aliens was a great idea. Even though Harrison Ford and Steven Spielberg did not like the idea, he forced them into it.

- Thought making Natalie Portman into a Christmas tree with the voice a male bodybuilder was a good idea for Episode I.

- Thought having Han shoot first and inserting that horribly bad CGI dance number in the Jedi was a great idea.

- Thought Jar Jar was the central component to Episode I. Thought that would make audiences laugh.

- Thought making Mace Windu the dullest character in the universe was a good idea.

- Thought having Darth Maul have few lines was a good idea. In fact we know he actually CUT lines from Darth Maul from what was in the shooting script.

- Thought Anakin's "romantic lines" in Episode II would make women swoon.

Lets be honest. Lucas lost his shit a long time ago. Probably after his divorce ... dude was never the same after that, it devastated him so much so that he couldn't direct for another 16 years.

What does it tell you when Kathleen Kennedy (producer of some of the most successful films of ALL time) was willing to delay a new Star Wars by several months and push the release date of the film into WINTER, by throwing out Lucas ideas and going with someone else instead?

JJ Abrams is certainly not perfect, but did it occur to some of you that Lucas' ideas for this sequel trilogy may very well have been *shit*? Because he has a track record of *shit* decisions since the 1980s ended.

The only difference is now, someone finally called him out on his shit, by throwing out his Episode VII treatment and going in a different direction. Episode VII was *always* going to be burdened by having to follow up the shit prequels and all of the damage Lucas did to his brand, that's why it had to be an homage to the OT and re-center the franchise by bringing it back to what made it popular in the first place ... which contrary to popular belief wasn't lightsaber fights. 

What's so "cool" about Mace Windu? There's is NO fucking character there. Sam Jackson has never been so BLAND in his whole life, a lot of his line readings were mind-numbingly bad ("A Sith ... Lord? Is this an Anchorman joke? I'm ... Ron ... Burgandy?). Oh but he had a PURPLE lightsaber. Whoopity doo, what a amazing, original character. 



Lucas-Rio on 03 January 2016
Soundwave said:

Let me just add to my last post because I think it warrants adding on to ...

George Lucas post-Star Wars is the same guy that

- Thought Howard the Duck was a great idea.

- Thought an Indiana Jones movie with aliens was a great idea. Even though Harrison Ford and Steven Spielberg did not like the idea, he forced them into it.

- Thought making Natalie Portman into a Christmas tree with the voice a male bodybuilder was a good idea for Episode I.

- Thought having Han shoot first and inserting that horribly bad CGI dance number in the Jedi was a great idea.

- Thought Jar Jar was the central component to Episode I. Thought that would make audiences laugh.

- Thought making Mace Windu the dullest character in the universe was a good idea.

- Thought having Darth Maul have few lines was a good idea. In fact we know he actually CUT lines from Darth Maul from what was in the shooting script.

- Thought Anakin's "romantic lines" in Episode II would make women swoon.

Lets be honest. Lucas lost his shit a long time ago. Probably after his divorce ... dude was never the same after that, it devastated him so much so that he couldn't direct for another 16 years.

What does it tell you when Kathleen Kennedy (producer of some of the most successful films of ALL time) was willing to delay a new Star Wars by several months and push the release date of the film into WINTER, by throwing out Lucas ideas and going with someone else instead?

JJ Abrams is certainly not perfect, but did it occur to some of you that Lucas' ideas for this sequel trilogy may very well have been *shit*? Because he has a track record of *shit* decisions since the 1980s ended.

The only difference is now, someone finally called him out on his shit, by throwing out his Episode VII treatment and going in a different direction. Episode VII was *always* going to be burdened by having to follow up the shit prequels and all of the damage Lucas did to his brand, that's why it had to be an homage to the OT and re-center the franchise by bringing it back to what made it popular in the first place ... which contrary to popular belief wasn't lightsaber fights. 

I wont trust Abrams  on anything after what he did to LOST. It began good and ended incredibly shitty. But he isnt calling the shot here.

I am affraid Disney is going to Marvel's Star Wars with one average movie per year. Look at all these garbage movies with super heroes.... The batman trilogy of Nolan is great, the Disney flood is bad.

I hope Disney doesnt milk it too much.