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sabvre42 said:
I actually kinda got iritated while watching TFA... i could NOT get the hype let alone rate the movie higher than 3-3.5/5 stars.

The whole rey becoming a master without any training fucking disgusts me. Literally 24 hours since learning of her force sensitivity and she can read minds, control minds, use the saber, etc.

The wannabe death star planet being able to blast an entirely different star system at once by consuming a star... wtf.

Fin is supposed to be a brainwashed, indoctrinated from birth storm trooper, but his first battle and he gets ptsd?

Leiea's acting was fucking cringe worthy....

I just watched TPM again... and honestly its tied for both sucking.

Really bothered me at first too but now that I have had time to reflect I am positive she's been trained.  I think she was part of Luke new jedi acedemy before Kylo screwed it alll up.  I think her memories have been blocked. 



 

Still doesn't make sense as she was a child in the flash back and Kylo had more training from both Luke and Snoke. Tge writing was poor and people need to admit that part screwed up the SW firce concept. You have to be a Jedi master or Sith lord to control minds. I'm on a SW marathon watch and all who cobtrol minds have reached that level. Luke couldn't do it til Yoda completed his training, sane with Obi after Qui-Gon said he was ready for the trials, Anakin learned after he became a Jedi knight in between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith and ge had the highest midichlorian levels since the force created him. There is not logical way to explain Rey other than the writer not knowing the history.



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Cruzer said:
PDF said:

Really bothered me at first too but now that I have had time to reflect I am positive she's been trained.  I think she was part of Luke new jedi acedemy before Kylo screwed it alll up.  I think her memories have been blocked. 



 

Still doesn't make sense as she was a child in the flash back and Kylo had more training from both Luke and Snoke. Tge writing was poor and people need to admit that part screwed up the SW firce concept. You have to be a Jedi master or Sith lord to control minds. I'm on a SW marathon watch and all who cobtrol minds have reached that level. Luke couldn't do it til Yoda completed his training, sane with Obi after Qui-Gon said he was ready for the trials, Anakin learned after he became a Jedi knight in between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith and ge had the highest midichlorian levels since the force created him. There is not logical way to explain Rey other than the writer not knowing the history.

 


Rey being able to manipulate minds without any form of training was a travesty. Don't even get me started on Rey and Finn being able to hold their own against Kylo Ren for anything more than 2 seconds. Yeh, Kylo was wounded but let me remind you that Rey and Finn has no training whatsoever with a light saber besides Finn's 30 second duel with a storm trooper hours/days prior and Rey fending off desert creatures.



Cruzer said:
Soundwave said:

 

The direction/staging/performances are worse in the prequels. There are a few wonky instances of bad acting in the OT but they're not plagued by those moments like the prequels are constantly, nor do they have a dull script with lifeless characters in them. That's another problem, the actors really can't do anything if there's nothing in the script for them to work with. 

 

Sounds like TFA because the script was boring and the new character s was uninteresting without goid personalities or clear motivation which the prequels got right. Rey was Luke 2.0, Finn was half Solo and part un clear, tge pilot was irrelevant, the new droid was a R2D2 wannabe and Kylo was an akward Vader/Anakin rehash who had poor casting.

Sounding bitter man. To say that I(and by extension everyone else) don't have the correct OPPINION but yours IS CORRECT is nonsensical. And a movie that has a 95% on RT can't do that on hype. Look at the phantom menace, Jurassic world, and avatar to confirm that.





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#1 - EP5 - TESB
#2 - EP3 - ROTS
#3 - EP6 - ROTJ
#4 - EP1 - TPM
#5 - EP2 - AOTC
#6 - EP4 - ANH
#7 - EP7 - TFA

TESB was the first movie I was taken to in 1980. Pretty much been a Star Wars fan my whole life. I like ALL of the movies, all minimum 9/10 for me. But I guess I just really like Star Wars. Being a young adult (22 when TPM came out) during the prequel era, during the backdrop of one of the greatest TPM/FakeWars in history - while self involved emo kids cut themselves - the prequels had a lot to say - for me anyway. Feel free to disagree.



What strikes me reading through this thread is how vast Star Wars has become that whole sub-fan groups now exist. For a long time I existed in sort of a bubble that Star Wars was amazing fun and everyone agreed Empire was the best film. When the prequels came out they were universally panned in my group and I didn't enjoy them at all. Now we have a third trilogy that seems my group is split over with most putting it at 3 or 4 (I put it at 4).

Seeing people actually like the prequels or say they couldn't get into original or Force Awakens was best to even worst entry brings home how this series will never please us all. We're too many and too varied now that I really don't envy people having to make next entries.



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I'm going to see The Force Awakens a second time soon so things might change but right now I feel it's:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. The Force Awakens
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. The Phantom Menace
7. Attack of the Clones



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1. ESB
2. ANH
3. ROTJ
4.TFA







5. ROTS
6. AOTC
7.TPM



Guitarguy said:
Cruzer said:

 

Still doesn't make sense as she was a child in the flash back and Kylo had more training from both Luke and Snoke. Tge writing was poor and people need to admit that part screwed up the SW firce concept. You have to be a Jedi master or Sith lord to control minds. I'm on a SW marathon watch and all who cobtrol minds have reached that level. Luke couldn't do it til Yoda completed his training, sane with Obi after Qui-Gon said he was ready for the trials, Anakin learned after he became a Jedi knight in between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith and ge had the highest midichlorian levels since the force created him. There is not logical way to explain Rey other than the writer not knowing the history.

 


Rey being able to manipulate minds without any form of training was a travesty. Don't even get me started on Rey and Finn being able to hold their own against Kylo Ren for anything more than 2 seconds. Yeh, Kylo was wounded but let me remind you that Rey and Finn has no training whatsoever with a light saber besides Finn's 30 second duel with a storm trooper hours/days prior and Rey fending off desert creatures.

 

The force isn't something you just come into either (except according to the lore... the first jedi).

You may be force sensative and have better than average "luck" / reflexes... but you cannot harness the power until someone guides you in the direction.

Its not some power that just manifests itself in less than 24 hours...



I'm super late to the party, but here are my two cents:

 

7. Attack of the Clones

This one shares all of the problems of the prequel trilogy - wooden acting, stilted dialogue, and an excess of all things computer generated - plus it adds one of the most loveless and awkward romances in cinema history. With zero chemistry between Christensen and Portman, it's impossible to believe in or root for their relationship. 

6. Revenge of the Sith 

Sure, it's more energetic and more operatic than AOTC and TPM, but Revenge suffers from some serious issues: thin characterization, feeble acting, overproduced action set pieces, and, most disastrous of all, a main character who just isn't very engaging. McDiarmid livens up the proceedings as a deliciously evil Palpatine, but it's not enough to save what should have been the linchpin of the entire saga.

5. The Phantom Menace

Menace is a mixed bag. Jar-Jar is obnoxious. A young Anakin is annoying. Most of the characters have no personality. There are dozens of plot holes and contrivances. But there is some decent storytelling at work here, and some surprisingly effective action sequences.

4. The Force Awakens

Having seen this twice now, I might rank it as high as third. I'm no fan of J.J. Abrams, but he performed admirably as caretaker of the series. TFA brings Star Wars back to its pop entertainment origins with some spectacular action and the same mythos that made us all fall in love with the saga decades ago. The new heroes and villains are refreshing and interesting and the older characters are folded in to the mix seamlessly. The biggest problem: the script relies so heavily on hitting the beats of A New Hope that the movie often feels like more of a remake than a sequel.

3. Return of the Jedi

Jedi has a few minor problems, including a familiar plot and some overacting, but overall it's a spectacular entertainment. While director Richard Marquand doesn't capitalize on the emotional cliffhangers from The Empire Strikes Back, he does show a deft hand with some thrilling ground and space warfare. Technically and visually, it's as impessive as any movie in the saga.

2. A New Hope

Yes, Geroge Lucas owes A New Hope to many other works of art - Flash Gordon, The Hidden Fortress, and the Dam Busters, to name a few - but never before had a filmmaker combined the themes and visual markers of science fiction, samurai movies, dogfight sequences, and world mythologies so coherently (and so profitably) than in the premiere Star Wars movie. Visually inventive and emotionally resonant, Star Wars changed the landscape of American cinema forever.

1. The Empire Strikes Back

Even with all the creative energy and guidance than George Lucas gave to Star Wars, he never truly unlocked its full potential. But two other men did: Irvin Kershner and Lawrence Kasdan, who directed and co-wrote Empire respectively. What they brought to the saga was a developed sense of internal conflict and an effective appeal to the emotions of the audience. The characters in Empire aren't simply archetypes; they're living, breathing, conflicted people trying to come to terms with a world at war. The special effects on display are phenomenal, and the action scenes rousing, but the movie is great because of its character arcs: Han and Leia's growing affection; Luke's aborted training; and Vader's obsession with finding his son. 



Manlytears said:
IMHO...

1) The Empire Strikes Back.
2) A New Hope.
3) The Force Awakens.
4) Return of the Jedi.
5) Revenge of the Sith.
6) Attack of the Clones.
7) The Phantom Menace.

I haven't seen The Force Awakens yet, but excluding that, my ranking is the same as the one above.