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Soundwave said:

It is competing with Sony/MS whether they want to admit it or not.

What I think Nintendo needs to do away with is the whole "this our one static console for the next 5 years that's supposed to make everyone from kids to hardcore gamers happy".

That doesn't work. You can't make one single piece of hardware simultaneously cheap (for kids/families) and powerful (for hardcore gamers/third parties). NX should be a platform ... ala Steam, with many different hardware variations.

In effect I feel like it almost should be like Nintendo going third party ... to themselves (NX is a new brand). It should also IMO be a scalable platform that can compete with the PS5 (yes FIVE) and XB2 if need be over time. I like the idea of a modular platform where you can upgrade the base over time for example and shared hardware power via the Cloud is also a good idea. 

There is no "other" audience for Nintendo to tap into ... casuals are not going to buy another console again IMO, not when they have thousands of free casual games available to them on their friendly, mobile iPhones/iPads. So chasing the Wii would be a mistake with NX. 

Nintendo will always be unique by the way simply becuase of their 1st/2nd party software being so much different from everyone else. Did you confuse the Super NES with the Sega Genesis? Probably not. They don't need to "try" to be unique, they are unique no matter what. 

Nz as in a Nintendo gaming service liek Ea access is on xbox i could see working, NX as anyhting like a traditioal hardware console will be a flop.





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I've been saying this for a while, but Nintendo needs to start actually targeting the western market more, with the kinds of titles that 3rd party does, because the console market business mainly rests in those kinds of games and not the core audience Nintendo has been targeting for ages.

They either go more casual or too hardcore mature, there's little to no grey area.
I agree with Soundwave, in that their next platform needs to be this system that is more than one platform, with hardware that can play everything Nintendo releases going forward, maybe also stuff from this generation and unify both their handheld and console market to remove the boundaries between install bases.

Innovation for innovation's sake doesn't work, but innovation to fulfill a need does and this would be the most innovative and logical business thing Nintendo can do.
I honestly think it's something that could help to improve their brand image, especially if they actually take an approach to making games like Sony does, which means wide variety and diversity of your line-up. Keep being Nintendo, but also learn what actually works to bring in the masses.

Nintendo definitely does need to compete with Playstation and Xbox if they want to survive, otherwise you either go into the mobile space and got lost among the hoards of other content providers (and how the hell do you make hardware that is anymore interesting and appealing than products that already do that well) or you stay being Nintendo as is and consistently get dwarfed by the competition and your market realizes that they can get way more variety, with a lot more interesting games than only Nintendo can provide alone, with the odd 3rd party developer that happens to take pity on them.

Yeah Nintendo needs to basically hit this thing out of the park and do everything they should have done for generations, along with merging their handheld and console markets together to finally appeal to every publisher possible with as many consumers as they can give them.



Sony and Microsoft are fighting for third party games (deals and exclusivity) apart from first party games. If Nintendo wants to be unique then they have to say goodbye to third party games. There is no middle ground.



True, you don't need to sell the most consoles for said console to be considered a success.



To anyone who thinks Nintendo can create a platform or "steam-like" service hasn't been paying attention to how Nintendo thinks about online services and multiplayer. They are years and years behind their competition, with little experience in making such services, and now you expect them to make something that not only competes with the likes of Playstation and Xbox, but Steam as well?

Welp. Good Luck. I hear OUYA found a lot of success trying to do an easier version of the same thing.



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There is no other market right now so I completely, 100% disagree. The only people buying home consoles in mass these days are core gamers. Casual have the left the building. They aren't coming back. The 8-12 year old demographic is also playing PS4 and Xbox One games too, so, that market isn't there either.

If Nintendo doesn't go back to it's roots of head on competition, it's going to get very, very dark for them.



Sigh...... its happening already.

As long as Nintendo are selling a box that's put primarily under the TV and plays games primarily. Then they are competing with the PS4/XB1.

And I'll say it again. if Nintendo releases the NX in 2016/2017 or even 2018. It will fail. And fail hard. They have to release in the same year that the next PS/XB comes out. That's the only chance they have of competing. They release too early, 2016/2017, and there won't be enough of a power difference to make it look distinctly a generational leap over what at the time will be a much cheaper ps4/xb1. Release too late, and people would just wait for a year to 18 months for the inevitable release of what would be a more powerful PS5/xb2.

Sometimes I wonder how the people that run Nintendo think... they are just going about all this all wrong.



potato_hamster said:
To anyone who thinks Nintendo can create a platform or "steam-like" service hasn't been paying attention to how Nintendo thinks about online services and multiplayer. They are years and years behind their competition, with little experience in making such services, and now you expect them to make something that not only competes with the likes of Playstation and Xbox, but Steam as well?

Welp. Good Luck. I hear OUYA found a lot of success trying to do an easier version of the same thing.

 

What's wrong with Nintendo's online multiplayer? Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Pokémon, Splatoon, Kid Icarus, Luigi's Mansion, etc. all have competent online multiplayer.



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i just want them to make
- a cheap console
- with a normal controller
- making the games compatible with their Handheld and their console so i can play all the 3DS games on a console like Fire Emblem and vis versa
- an archievement system

i think they could sell a lot of consoles this way too and save a lot of money from developing games and R&D. If they make a powerful system to play mario games this wont work commericaliy but i would embrace it even more



I know a lot of people disagree but I firmly believe there is a sizeable potential demographic of people who are interested in a type of middle ground between freemium mobile titles and $60 AAA console titles.

The likes of Apple/Amazon/Google have made a sort of half-assed attempt at doing this with Apple TV/Fire TV/Nexus Player but the execution has been poor and these devices are basically Netflix boxes that can play mobile games.

If done right and with big-hitting, multimillion selling franchises, I think a $150 or so device with primarily $10-30 software can be successful.

Since Apple/Amazon/Google haven't been able to capitalize yet with their microconsoles/streaming boxes, I think Nintendo has a chance to make this their market.

$150 handheld along with a $150 console that share games with an emphasis on $10-30 software (obviously Nintendo's big budget franchises can still sell for higher) can potentially form a nice middle ground between mobile & consoles.



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