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SvennoJ said:
sc94597 said:
SvennoJ said:
sc94597 said:
SvennoJ said:
Nocturne123 said:
Or you could, you know, pay for them and support Sony so they can put that money into the PS4 infrastructure and it's games.

That's a strange concept. But yes, I rather buy Burnout again then mess with an emulator and show that there is still enough interest in the series to spend money on. It's all convenience in the end which is worth a bit of money to me. Time > money.

Honestly the time I spend tweaking settings for a specific game I rip off a disc is about 10-15 minutes (including ripping the iso.) That is less than the download time for the PS2 game from Sony servers would take. I'd argue that if you already own the game, it is more time-efficient than downloading the title again. Especially for larger PS2 games that used multiple discs. 

Out of the interest of curiosity I gave the download a try. However 5 minutes later I'm stumped...

PSCX2 requires a legal copy of the PS2 BIOS to run games.
You cannot use a copy obtained from a friend or the internet.
You must dump the BIOS from your *own* Playstation 2 console.

How do I do that? Is that even legal?
How do I connect my ps2 console to my pc to dump the bios?

If you care about everything being "legal" and not everything being "ethical" or "moral" then here is how you can extract a bios. 

http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-Guide-to-Dumping-Your-PS2-Bios-over-LAN

Nevertheless, if you already had a PS2 I really don't see the big deal of using another PS2's bios unless you are obsessed with the legality of things. There is a good argument against the piracy of games (i.e you are hurting the developer by doing so), but since Sony isn't selling Playstation bios', unless you only care about intellectual property abstractly and are obsessed with following the law, it isn't an issue to find one and download it, unlike finding games that are being sold legally. 

Edit: Yes, you can use a copy obtained from the internet. PSCX2 just can't say that you can for legal reasons. 

Both are free and legal—none of the code in the emulators themselves belongs to Sony

While that is technically true, you have to mod chip / jail break your ps2 to get the bios to be able to use the emulator.
Sony doesn't sell the BIOS nor made it available for use on anything besides the ps2, therefore pscx2 is in a gray area when it comes to legality.

Anyway I'm not going to download the bios from a dodgy site, nor am I going to jailbreak my ps2. So pointless download.

It is legal to use a bios you have extracted, just as it is legal to use a rom/iso you have extracted. That isn't legally grey except in countries that don't follow this policy. In the U.S - at least - it is legal. For this reason, Sony hasn't ordered the emulator to be taken down. That isn't grey at all. It is illegal to use a bios that you have not extracted, just as it is illegal to use a rom you have not extracted. Ethically, however, it doesn't bother me to use a bios that has not been extracted by myself, but it does bother me to pirate games without a justified reason (i.e wasn't localized, not in print/purchasable,etc, etc.) I bought a PS2, I bought all of my games. Sony can't ask for much more than that. 

There are so many non "dodgy" sites where you can get a bios, and it literally takes seconds. If the overwhelming majority of other users can do this with no problem, I really can't see your irrational fear as legitimate. Nevertheless, for most people you must realize this isn't an issue. If it is for you, so be it. Your values are prioritized quite differently.  



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Or you could play it on whatever platform you want to.



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  • Ps4

 

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OneKartVita said:
sc94597 said:
OneKartVita said:
I won't because my PC is used for work only and I'd rather support the people who make these games. I'm not a pirate YEEEAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH

All of my 50 or so PS2 ISO's that I have on my hard drive I had bought, and about 30% I bought new. So... 

Sony are selling ps2 games on PC or do you mean you still have the discs?  I don't have most of mine anymore.. 



I don't have most of my discs with me ( they are with my mother whom I don't live with), but the iso's on my hard drive were extracted from my discs years ago, so they are my "property" as recognized by U.S law. That is the point of ripping ISO's off a disc being legal, in case you lose the disc you still have a copy. No piracy necessary, and nothing illegal about it. 





SvennoJ said:
zero129 said:
SvennoJ said:
 

Both are free and legal—none of the code in the emulators themselves belongs to Sony

While that is technically true, you have to mod chip / jail break your ps2 to get the bios to be able to use the emulator.
Sony doesn't sell the BIOS nor made it available for use on anything besides the ps2, therefore pscx2 is in a gray area when it comes to legality.

Anyway I'm not going to download the bios from a dodgy site, nor am I going to jailbreak my ps2. So pointless download.

Yes cos Sony is going to lose so much money from you downloading a Bios from the internet for a system you already own and payed for but cant rip the bios yourself...

it's called morals and principles 

What is immoral about it? That was my whole argument. There is no change in utility for Sony, and a positive change in utility for the person downloading the bios. 

As for laziness, as I mentioned, it takes seconds to find and download a bios. The file is a few megabytes. 





AlfredoTurkey said:

zero129 said:
 

Now please explain to me why i should "Rebuy" PS2 games i already own just to play them on the PS4?, when its much more simpler for me to pop that disc into my PC or rip it to my HDD and play it on my PC?.



 

You know what's more simple than ripping games and fucking with an emulator? Popping them into a PS2 and playing on a CRT. If this was about simplicity, that's the best way to go.

And we all know that almost everyone who uses emulators are stealing the games via torrents. Trying to argue otherwise is just foolish and insulting. 

Assuming somebody has a working PS2 around. Assuming somebody has an ancient CRT around. Assuming somebody wants to pay extra on their electricity bill because they are using a CRT. Assuming somebody doesn't care about the resolution they play at. Assuming (falsely) somebody can't just pop the disc in and play it from their DVD drive on their PCSX2 emulator. Assuming somebody wants a PS2 laying around in addition to their other, newer, video game platforms. 

If people were content with and if it were "simple" to just use a PS2 then nobody would want backwards compatibility. Your premise is flawed and not based on reality. 





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Dude, can you give some tips on how to configure best for better graphics? You clearly has sorted this out from your screens.



                          

"We all make choices, but in the end, our choices make us" - Andrew Ryan, Bioshock.

This is so surreal we now have m$ biased gaming media not only telling us what we should buy but also directly advocating copyright infringement.

Its like the twilight zone, where is their articles about "dont buy" xbox one 'exclusives' when you could just wait for them to come out on PC and "download" them in order to play them for 'free'.

In many countries there is no way for you to legally play PS2 games on anything other than a PS2 console or a product licensed by sony to play ps2 discs.

And since PC Gamer's main audience is the United States they are directly encouraging people to break the DMCA among other laws but only for sony products.

Where are their articles directly advocating copyright infringement for Nintendo or Microsoft products or is it only 'OK' to steal from Sony.

 

There is no way to do any of this legally:

  • You cant use any software or hardware device that direclty enables copyright infringement. In fact in most countries it is illegal to even possess such software. The PS2 emulator would have to be incapable of playing any non-origional PS2 game. I.E. no ISOs no backups.
  • And the emulator cannot function without the sony developed PS2 bios. This makes it illegal everyday of the week. No you cannot dump the PS2 bios over LAN that is illegal as it requires tools that violate copyright protection schemes. You would have to somehow remove the bios chip from the console and then use very expensive hardware to dump it.
Bottom line: Dont do it - Support the developers who worked on the games, many of whome will get royalties from the sales.
zero129 said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
Thread should be renamed "why you should steal PS2 games instead of buying them legally on PS4". Personally, I would argue that it's better to buy the real games and play them on a CRT on a real PS2 but, that's for another thread lol.

Why should it be named that? .

Have you even read the OP instead of just the thread title??.

It talks about using your "Own" PS2 discs in the PC something you cant do on the PS4..

Now please explain to me why i should "Rebuy" PS2 games i already own just to play them on the PS4?, when its much more simpler for me to pop that disc into my PC or rip it to my HDD and play it on my PC?. I payed the original cost for the game. Many of my PS2 games i own since they where brand new, so why should i be forced to re buy them again?.

And if i choose not to re buy them again, but instead play them on my PC. Why should i have to have Console users such as you and Vita telling me im a pirate??..

This thread has nothing to do with Piracy so it would be nice if some users didnt try bringing it off topic by bringing that into it.



You obviously dont understand anything that you are talking about. Piracy == Copyright infringement. Piracy is what this thread is about. You cannot legally play PS2 games on your PC. In doing so you are committing copyright infringement AKA piracy.





Knitemare said:

Dude, can you give some tips on how to configure best for better graphics? You clearly has sorted this out from your screens.

Depends on the game mostly. 

Here is a guide on how to preconfigure each game separately. Basically you can look up a thread for a game of your liking and you'll find tips for maximizing performance. Then save this as a preconfiguration. This will take 10-20 minutes after you've done it a few times. 

http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-Auto-Boot-and-Pre-Configure-Games-Separately

As for visuals, I think some of those screens are using sweetfx, and here is a guide for that. 

http://wiki.pcsx2.net/index.php/External_shaders

You can also download presets made by the community. 

http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-Custom-Shaders-for-GSdx



elektranine said:

 

zero129 said:

Why should it be named that? .

Have you even read the OP instead of just the thread title??.

It talks about using your "Own" PS2 discs in the PC something you cant do on the PS4..

Now please explain to me why i should "Rebuy" PS2 games i already own just to play them on the PS4?, when its much more simpler for me to pop that disc into my PC or rip it to my HDD and play it on my PC?. I payed the original cost for the game. Many of my PS2 games i own since they where brand new, so why should i be forced to re buy them again?.

And if i choose not to re buy them again, but instead play them on my PC. Why should i have to have Console users such as you and Vita telling me im a pirate??..

This thread has nothing to do with Piracy so it would be nice if some users didnt try bringing it off topic by bringing that into it.



You obviously dont understand anything that you are talking about. Piracy == Copyright infringement. Piracy is what this thread is about. You cannot legally play PS2 games on your PC. In doing so you are committing copyright infringement AKA piracy.



Actually you don't know what you are talking about. It is perfectly legal to backup games that you've purchased as long as there is no DRM. It is also legal to use said backup in the event you cannot use the original. It is not legal to distribute that backup. Nevertheless, you don't even need to backup the game to play it on PCSX2. You can just play off the disc. Please cite the U.S law that says otherwise. 

http://info.legalzoom.com/dmca-backup-copyrighted-content-22827.html

What the DMCA does, through DRM, is make the circumvention illegal, not the actual copying. So, now, even if you own your DVD and are trying to make a personal copy for when, not if, your children scratch the original, or you want to make a copy to watch on your computer, it is illegal to bypass DRM protection measures to make your backup. Circumvention means avoiding, bypassing, removing, deactivating or impairing a technological measure without permission from the copyright owner. This includes bypassing iTunes DRM to copy the music files you bought or using software to break DRM locks to copy DVDs.

See Nintendo on this matter:

https://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp#download_rom

There is a good deal of misinformation on the Internet regarding the backup/archival copy exception. It is not a "second copy" rule and is often mistakenly cited for the proposition that if you have one lawful copy of a copyrighted work, you are entitled to have a second copy of the copyrighted work even if that second copy is an infringing copy. The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic. Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.





Interesting read but doesnt make it PC gaming irrelevant if console emulation is so effective? if i can play my PS4 purchases in higher resolution and higher framerate 10 years from now?
anyways it shows why i keep going physical it will benifit me in the long run, maybe i should try ps2 again on my pc. Is ther a way to use my ps3 memorycard adapter?