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AsGryffynn on 15 December 2015
Eddie_Raja said:
AsGryffynn said:

 

It didn't cost them a lot. That was all paid for by MS. It cost MS a lot they should've used on their own IP though...

Well at the end of the day this is just conjecture from both of our ends.   You assume MS paid for enough, but honestly I think this is what happened: MS agreed to pay for all of the marketing, and in return SE could push back the PS4 release so they didn't have to compete with Uncharted 4.  But now TR sold terribly on X1 and the PS4 launch is a little closer than it was going to be.

Wouldn't this be wrong though? As far as I know, exclusivity deals have a set expiry date...





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Farsala on 15 December 2015
AsGryffynn said:
kurasakiichimaru said:
AsGryffynn said:
Farsala said:

Farsala said:

Repost from NPD thread, as I think it is more fitting here.

In the end The Order 1886 (PS4) outsells Tomb raider (XB1) during the holidays and with a 20% less install base. Guess exclusives during the holidays matters more right? That is of course US only,

I am sure worldwide it is an even worse case. Sony's spread out exclusives gets the media against them, but it is clearly working.

 

Oh and The Order 1886 is seen as a flop, yet it has outsold every single XB1 exclusive for 2015 aside from Halo 5.

I think the reason The Order was considered a flop was that it sold very slowly... I mean, it's higher than GoW Ultimate Edition, but it had more time to sell and it's obvious GoW has legs, so there's that too...

RotTR flopping did not surprise me, but Forza did... other than that, it seems most of our exclusives this year have been digital, compared to 2014 where we had lots of disc exclusives... I think this might have something to do with why we didn't take this November... it also seems Halo is starting to suffer from fatigue...

Perhaps it's time to shelve Halo and move on to a new IP... Titanfall perhaps...

 

I was only referring to first month sales. They all had similar timeframes to sell, but The Order comes out on top, with a smaller userbase in US.


I can only hope that MS new ips do well, and was sad that Sunset Overdrive didn't do so hot. I would rather MS try to innovate new franchises, then to just hold onto their old franchises. Reboots of Rare, Ensemble, and FASA studio games would be nice too.

Wait, the PS4 has a smaller userbase than the XONE? Even in the US, I had the impression the XONE still played catch up...

When the Order launched in Feb this year, PS4 has an install base of 7M+ in the USA.

 

When RoTR launched in November, Xone has an install base of 9.5M in the USA.

Hmm, that's... odd...

hing...

 

9 days tracked





AsGryffynn on 15 December 2015

Then we have a lot of people that aren't... wait... I just realized something that might be to blame for this...

Also, someone really needs to fix the multiquote system...



walsufnir on 15 December 2015
Eddie_Raja said:
AsGryffynn said:
Eddie_Raja said:
Synesthesia said:
Maybe, just maybe... They should have been a little bit more worried about Fallout 4. :P

Well it's pretty much more indication that the Tomb Raider timed exclusivity deal was one of the worst ideas ever. It didn't help Microsoft, it didn't help Square... It pissed allot of their fanbase off which coincidentally many if not the most are on a different system so they didn't even release it to where most their fans were. This may effect the budget of the next game and significantly alter the franchises future, but hey... They said they were not worried!

The perfect storm of stupid is complete.

 

Pretty much hit the nail on the head.  A Tomb Raider game not coming to Playstation is laughable!  (I mean it is, but you know what I mean).

Don't worry, it will launch 1 year from now on PS4 with DLC on disc and sell 3x more on Playstation - and SE will never be this dumb again.

Why is it so laughable that it launches first on another system?

I didn't even own a PS1, but when I think of that era - I always see Tomb Raider as synonomous with Playstation (And I know many others do too).

 

Yes, because Sony bought the franchise in the 90s so it wasn't allowed to come out on other consoles.



walsufnir on 15 December 2015
OneKartVita said:
Wow I'd never have thought the order would sell more. Genuinely legit shocked.

 

How so? The game had actually marketing, it was very much spoken about in the "media", it had many, many people who said that the game is still amazing or good and it had close to no competition when it came out. Also, it had the smell of a PS exclusive where people automatically think it's good.

But yeah, the sad part is that a bad game sells more than a good game.



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oniyide on 15 December 2015
walsufnir said:
OneKartVita said:
Wow I'd never have thought the order would sell more. Genuinely legit shocked.

 

How so? The game had actually marketing, it was very much spoken about in the "media", it had many, many people who said that the game is still amazing or good and it had close to no competition when it came out. Also, it had the smell of a PS exclusive where people automatically think it's good.

But yeah, the sad part is that a bad game sells more than a good game.

you sound bitter

and do you have proof that Sony bought the rights to have it released exclusively on PS1? kinda sounds like crap considering the series was never exclusive the original released on Saturn and the rest released on PC, hell even GB color had a TR game.





walsufnir on 15 December 2015
oniyide said:
walsufnir said:

 

How so? The game had actually marketing, it was very much spoken about in the "media", it had many, many people who said that the game is still amazing or good and it had close to no competition when it came out. Also, it had the smell of a PS exclusive where people automatically think it's good.

But yeah, the sad part is that a bad game sells more than a good game.

you sound bitter

and do you have proof that Sony bought the rights to have it released exclusively on PS1? kinda sounds like crap considering the series was never exclusive the original released on Saturn and the rest released on PC, hell even GB color had a TR game.

 

When a bad game sells more than a good game, shouldn't every gamer sound bitter?

And of course I have proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_Raider_II

"In September 1997, Sony Computer Entertainment signed a deal with Eidos to make console releases for the Tomb Raider franchise exclusive to the PlayStation, preventing the Sega Saturn or the Nintendo 64 from having any Tomb Raider game released for it until 2000, a deal that would prove very beneficial to Sony both in terms of revenue and also in further cementing the PlayStation's growing reputation as the go-to system for must-have exclusive titles."

Read again what I wrote and you will realize that I said other consoles, PC is not a console.



LudicrousSpeed on 15 December 2015
Nate4Drake said:
This Game would sell 5 times more on PS4. Shame on XBox common players who only play Call Of Duty.

That's rich, as if CoD isn't the lead franchise on PS4 as well.

Not gamers fault they released it sandwiched between Halo 5, Blops 3, and Fallout 4.





LudicrousSpeed on 15 December 2015

It's sad that The Order outsold Tomb Raider in their debut months, but only because $60 tech demos like The Order have no business selling more than 4 copies. If nothing else it just proves SE launched the game at the wrong time. Sony delayed The Order into early in 2015 instead of late 2014 and it made a huge difference because there was more time to hype the game and there was nothing else to play. You came off your big fall 2014 games and there was this big anticipated new game coming out. Where as with Tomb Raider you're getting gangbanged already by Fallout 4 and Halo 5, you have no more holes for Tomb Raider.

I don't think it matters for the franchise. SE was reimbursed for the deal naturally.



OneKartVita on 15 December 2015
walsufnir said:
OneKartVita said:
Wow I'd never have thought the order would sell more. Genuinely legit shocked.

 

How so? The game had actually marketing, it was very much spoken about in the "media", it had many, many people who said that the game is still amazing or good and it had close to no competition when it came out. Also, it had the smell of a PS exclusive where people automatically think it's good.

But yeah, the sad part is that a bad game sells more than a good game.

 

Tomb raider much better received.  Xbox fans hyped it to the moon and back.  but for whatever reason it just didn't catch on with the mainstream.  I'd say a mixture between the horrible release timing and the fact the vast majority of its fans are on pc/ps4 and didn't bother buying an xbox.  

 

It doesn't bode well for them in future.  The price of Microsoft buying exclusives has gone way up imo.  Because this shows how dangerous it can be for the ip.