Wel, in my line of work I have drawn one conclusive substance between genders in their natural state of being. All you need is Lube - John Lennon
Lube Me Up
Wel, in my line of work I have drawn one conclusive substance between genders in their natural state of being. All you need is Lube - John Lennon
Lube Me Up
o_O.Q said:
if men and women are equal, how were men able to establish a dominance hierarchy with themselves at the top? |
The answer is right there in the first paragraph you're quoting...
Men and women aren't equal biologically speaking, duh. Different roles evolved from when humans lived in caves. That doesn't mean those ancient roles are still relevant to modern society. Contrary, nowadays language and management skills are very good qualities to have outside the cave.
SvennoJ said:
The answer is right there in the first paragraph you're quoting... Men and women aren't equal biologically speaking, duh. Different roles evolved from when humans lived in caves. That doesn't mean those ancient roles are still relevant to modern society. Contrary, nowadays language and management skills are very good qualities to have outside the cave. |
"Men and women aren't equal biologically speaking"
what does this mean? that men used their strength to keep women subjugated?
| o_O.Q said: "Men and women aren't equal biologically speaking" what does this mean? that men used their strength to keep women subjugated? |
Not that that hasn't happened and still happens, yet it was more innocent in ancient times.
You can't hunt while pregnant, the roles were easily assigned by nature.
http://hiddentalents.org/brain/116-sexes.html
B --- WHY men and women's brains are different.
Human brains evolved differently for cave-men and cave-women.
Rather than just have people laugh at sex differences with jokes about "dumb blonds" or "boys toys" which involve ridicule, I would prefer to understand how male and female brains evolved very logically, and each has its advantages and disadvantages. I see ignorance about these male-female brain differences as the main cause of marriage problems.
Early humans developed some unusual traits for good reasons. As the jungles of eastern Africa changed to grasslands during a long drying spell, jungle apes designed for trees were at a disadvantage in catching food. Evolution favored walking upright which allowed more use of hands and arms for using tools.
1. Cave-MEN evolved their animal right-brain talents, such a visual spatial, into advanced abilities in hunting, fighting, design, inventing, using tools and operating equipment.
The left brain language tends to be less developed, ranging from grunts and shrugs to dyslexia.
2. Cave-WOMEN evolved brains (and bodies) for talking and nurturing in a family
^ (can't figure out the editing on this site)
Men went on to assume that everything outside the cave was their domain. Yet as people started living longer, schools were invented and hunting turned to sport rather than survival, these ancient roles were no longer necessary. Yet it took until recently that the status quo was broken. It's less than a century ago that women were even allowed to vote. I would call that subjugation indeed.
Nowadays we laugh over things like the Good wife's guide (which might be a mock up, but I've seen all that stuff separately in old books), yet when my parents went to school it was still normal to teach the girls house keeping and cooking, while the boys did crafting etc. Less subjugation, more indoctrination.
SvennoJ said:
Not that that hasn't happened and still happens, yet it was more innocent in ancient times.
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Woman have better language skills, but even today most top sellers book writers are men. Talking a lot and about a lot of subjects isn't necessarily all of better language talents. You could say that on hunting men developed more efficient communications with body and voice.

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SvennoJ said:
Not that that hasn't happened and still happens, yet it was more innocent in ancient times.
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so... are you not proving here with all of this information about the differences between men and women that its possible as a result that men are better leaders?
| SvennoJ said: ^ (can't figure out the editing on this site) Men went on to assume that everything outside the cave was their domain. Yet as people started living longer, schools were invented and hunting turned to sport rather than survival, these ancient roles were no longer necessary. Yet it took until recently that the status quo was broken. It's less than a century ago that women were even allowed to vote. I would call that subjugation indeed. Nowadays we laugh over things like the Good wife's guide (which might be a mock up, but I've seen all that stuff separately in old books), yet when my parents went to school it was still normal to teach the girls house keeping and cooking, while the boys did crafting etc. Less subjugation, more indoctrination. |
i think that the reason for women casting off their chains from only about a century ago had less to do with indoctrination and intimidation or whatever and more to do with the industrial revolution
because as you should know life in the past was nothing like the life we experience now.... work didn't involve sitting in an air conditioned office in a soft chair typing away at a computer
work involved hard labourious tasks and as i think you would cencede women would have been less suited to working in these conditions for various reasons including that they are physically weaker and they can become pregnant
however when the industrial revolution came around pretty much just before the rise of first wave feminism, work got much much easier on the body and we started using machines to do various tasks
imo this opened up the work market for women and allowed them to become independent since they could work alongside men in various fields since work had become lass physically taxing
i don't think that people who claim it was because of indoctrination really understand what the work environment was like before we started using machines
| o_O.Q said: so... are you not proving here with all of this information about the differences between men and women that its possible as a result that men are better leaders? |
How did you come to that conclusion? Women are better at managing and keeping track of the overall picture, next to having better communication skills. Men are better at focusing on details. Men might be better generals, Women seem better suited at leading a company or country.
| DonFerrari said: Woman have better language skills, but even today most top sellers book writers are men. Talking a lot and about a lot of subjects isn't necessarily all of better language talents. You could say that on hunting men developed more efficient communications with body and voice. |
First of all communication skills is not the same as book writing skills.
Part of the problem is book reviewers are predominently male and books by male authors are preferred by publishers.
But perhaps men are better at staying focussed on a single plot line and books by women are too complex for men to read :)
It's even worse in tv than in book.
http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2015/03/04/3629861/writers-block-tv-writers-rooms-even-fewer-women-minorities-last-year/
Perhaps better to pander to the lowest common denominator. Got to spell it out for men to understand :p