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Goodnightmoon said:

read this:

Y-E-S

Splatoon looks to me like the most fresh and addictive videogame in a long time, I actually think is the best thing Nintendo has done in several years (I´m not alone in this, even the Times magazine said that), that game is freaking amazing, pure unadulterated fun based on 100% quality of gameplay and game design, Splatoon is videgames on its best expression, some of you need big open worlds with top notch graphics to see greatness, but oh lord, that's so narrow minded.

And btw, the reason Splatoon has not a bigger score on Metacritic is because it was released with a 30% of the content it has right now, that was the onbly complain of critics, you see reviews like "The best online shooter in years" 7/10, "The best online experience of the generation" 7/10, but if the game was released with all the free content that come later (now has 15 maps, +50 weapons, +150 pieces of gear, 4 online modes, 2 matchmaking options, and more coming) the game would be easily around the MK8 score (88), even IGN did a re-review and they gave it 7 points more this time. Not that metacritic scores are that important to beggin with, but this is why.






Where exactly did I say it isnt a great game, Im saying that if it wasnt Nintendo you most likely wouldnt even care the game existed (you can say otherwise but when this game was revealed, if it wasnt present as Nintendo doing a shooter most ppl wouldnt even have looked twice), it would be bashed before release and fly under the radar due to the concept being rather wierd and ppl would not have half the good will they have towards the game now, even if ppl who actualy played the game were clamoring it was great, specialy consider ti released with very little content. The world is ful of great games by companies that arent perceived as doing great games that fly completly under the radar of almost everybody, there is a bias towards Nintendo, more so than any other company, to the point ppl see fit in making a thread talking about how RPGs will sudenly become the most awesome thing in the world now that Nintendo released 1 RPG. 



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I don't really think you can connect the two like that, but I'm definitely glad that Nintendo did support Xenoblade X the way they did..

If they had more advertising, then maybe it would be even better



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FunFan said:

After all, it is the best scapegoat argument if you don't want to accept that Nintendo can become one of the biggest players in the RPG genre, just like it did with the multiplayer shooter genre.


This is so laughably bad.

1) Nintendo is not a major player in the multiplayer shooter genre, especially since they only have one decent multiplayer shooter. Splatoon has done absolutely nothing for the industry. Sales of the genre are the same as before, consumer interest is the same as before, and games are the same as before. This is like saying Evolve has made turtle rock studios a MAJOR player of the shooting genre, just because they released one decent shooter game. Splatoon has done nothing to change up the industry and gets cremated in sales by actual major players (call of duty, battlefield,...). Splatoon also hasn't introduced any gameplay mechanic for the shooter genre like titanfall has with parqour or mass effect with rpg integration. People need to stop pretending that anything Nintendo does makes them a "major" player in something.

2) The JRPG genre will not be "saved" by Xenoblade X. Not that it needed saving in the first place, but even if it did, it wouldn't be because of an average rpg made exclusively for the worst selling console this generation.

3)If, by any chance, Xenoblade X does make an impact it will be due to the years of work by Monolith Soft, the developer, not by Nintendo, the publisher. It's okay to say Monolith Soft is part of Nintendo, it is not okay to say "this team in Nintendo did this, therefore that other team at Nintendo will do the same"



Goodnightmoon said:
DakonBlackblade said:

Come on dude, you honestly telling me a game about shooting ink at stuf and becoming a squid by any other company on the planet would have even half the hype this game had, sell remotly as well as it did and review even slightly as well ? If it werent Nintendo would you even have cared (honest question).

read this:

Y-E-S

Splatoon looks to me like the most fresh and addictive videogame in a long time, I actually think is the best thing Nintendo has done in several years (I´m not alone in this, even the Times magazine said that), that game is freaking amazing, pure unadulterated fun based on 100% quality of gameplay and game design, Splatoon is videgames on its best expression, some of you need big open worlds with top notch graphics to see greatness, but oh lord, that's so narrow minded.

And btw, the reason Splatoon has not a bigger score on Metacritic is because it was released with a 30% of the content it has right now, that was the onbly complain of critics, you see reviews like "The best shooter in years" 7/10, "The best online experience of the generation" 7/10, but if the game was released with all the free content that come later (now has 15 maps, +50 weapons, +150 pieces of gear, 4 online modes, 2 matchmaking options, and more coming) the game would be easily around the MK8 score (88), even IGN did a re-review and they gave it 7 points more this time. Not that metacritic scores are that important to beggin with, but this is why.






Battlefront has 10 modes and about the same number of maps as splatoon does now and yet it got a similar meta rating.  the extra content would have helped but western reviewers are very critical on FPS games these days. 



OneKartVita said:
Goodnightmoon said:

read this:

Y-E-S

Splatoon looks to me like the most fresh and addictive videogame in a long time, I actually think is the best thing Nintendo has done in several years (I´m not alone in this, even the Times magazine said that), that game is freaking amazing, pure unadulterated fun based on 100% quality of gameplay and game design, Splatoon is videgames on its best expression, some of you need big open worlds with top notch graphics to see greatness, but oh lord, that's so narrow minded.

And btw, the reason Splatoon has not a bigger score on Metacritic is because it was released with a 30% of the content it has right now, that was the onbly complain of critics, you see reviews like "The best shooter in years" 7/10, "The best online experience of the generation" 7/10, but if the game was released with all the free content that come later (now has 15 maps, +50 weapons, +150 pieces of gear, 4 online modes, 2 matchmaking options, and more coming) the game would be easily around the MK8 score (88), even IGN did a re-review and they gave it 7 points more this time. Not that metacritic scores are that important to beggin with, but this is why.






Battlefront has 10 modes and about the same number of maps as splatoon does now and yet it got a similar meta rating.  the extra content would have helped but western reviewers are very critical on FPS games these days. 

Battlefront has a 72, that's 9 points less, not very similar. And also all the extra content of Battlefront is for pay, the game is shallow and you need to pay, in Splatoon case you only needed to wait a bit.



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Wright said:

I don't understand. (Especially because the abridged version doesn't match with OP's title, forcing to redirect ourselves to the whole text) The only thing I'm getting here is that you believe the JRPG market will experience some kind of trascendence because Nintendo is publishing one JRPG this month...and that trascendence can be evidenced by the fact that they made a great shooter that sold well. Am I getting this right?

I don't think Splatoon changed the status quo of anything; it proves that originality can pay off, but to alter the very foundations of the shooter panorama we're living today would mean a lot of things, includingeveryone copying Splatoon's success, which I don't picture unless the brand gets to grow as much as Mario has throughout these years. Bearing this in mind, and using the same connection you did, I can't picture Xenoblade being the "savior" of anything, as, again, it didn't shake the status quo of the JRPGs (though this is a much more volatile thing; you never know what to expect. Successful JRPGs might include games about a knight who dies a lot, then we switch over to some bunch of emo teenagers driving to meet some waifu); being successful in Japan with just one game doesn't really guarantee much (As history has proven, there are successful IPs in Japan that don't translate well overseas and viceversa, and thus japanese developers don't get interested enough in supporting this path).

 

I mean, nothing should be disregarded unless fully analized, but I think the very premise of your post is in shaky ground already.


I see the Abridged Version is working as intended. Good, Good.

 

I'm obviously using a bit of hyperbole (or am I?) and the whole concept is a huge jump in logic (or is it?) but is only with the end of putting a little bit of humor. I am serious about the core message. So I'll try a super simple version, as distiled of absurdity as I can, just for you: 

Xenoblade (Wii) made Nintendo a little bit more confident about console JRPGs worldwide. Xenoblade Chronicles X (WiiU) shows that Nintendo is putting more effort and is more confident about the genre. If XCX performs well, such confidence and effort will further increase. Which is great news for the RPG genre. Because when Nintendo puts actual effort into "something", good "things" happen. Splatoon is simply the lastest example. We could argue all day about how great the news are or how good those "things" are. But it is still a positive change regardles of how significant that change might be.

 

Heres the true version for Nintendo Fans: 

Nintendo is The Best. And when The Best gets involved, everything changes, as was shown by Splatoon. Xenoblade is inspiring The Best into getting more involved with JRPGs, thus JRPGs are saved.



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People are overstimating the effect that splatoon is having, Nintendo is not a major player in the multiplayer shooter genre. Also, I see a few JRPGs that will be way more defining in the outcome of the genre on current gen consoles



Goodnightmoon said:
OneKartVita said:


Battlefront has 10 modes and about the same number of maps as splatoon does now and yet it got a similar meta rating.  the extra content would have helped but western reviewers are very critical on FPS games these days. 

Battlefront has a 72, that's 9 points less, not very similar. And also all the extra content of Battlefront is for pay, the game is shallow and you need to pay, in Splatoon case you only needed to wait a bit.


Everything I listed is available for free eight now.  The season pass will be 4 big expansions next year.  Additionally they will make more free maps next year too.  

 

The maps in battlefront are like 100 times bigger than splatoons and far more detailed.  if it's light on content then splatoon is still light on content.  



OneKartVita said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Battlefront has a 72, that's 9 points less, not very similar. And also all the extra content of Battlefront is for pay, the game is shallow and you need to pay, in Splatoon case you only needed to wait a bit.


Everything I listed is available for free eight now.  The season pass will be 4 big expansions next year.  Additionally they will make more free maps next year too.  

 

The maps in battlefront are like 100 times bigger than splatoons and far more detailed.  if it's light on content then splatoon is still light on content.  

Dude it doesnt matter if the maps are bigger, Splatoon is more fun, that's it. SWB being less shallow than Splatoon had almost 10 points less on meta, I wonder why. And the game is too shallow for 60$ if you dont buy those expansion, Splatoon too but it was growing constantly for free and is still doing it.