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Scapegoat? Ha! Nintendo simply failed to realize that launching a fad is something that never lasts forever. If so many were able to see that the novelty of Wii was simply novelty why couldn't the folks at Nintendo do the same? You think a console that's played by soccer moms and old people will always be the "in thing"? Those folks are fad shoppers who go out and buy anything that they're told is cool.

When the prediction thread had WiiU at about 80 million sold at this point compared to PS4's 10 million no one was all "woe is me" about Nintendo. I think the only real scapegoat in this post is the OP trying to scapegoat everyone else for Nintendo's failures. After all, people crapped on PS3 when it was going badly and people are crapping on Xbox One as we speak. Who's the scapegoat for that?



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Srassy said:
Miyamotoo said:

This simply isn't true at all.

 

Okay, sue me, I exaggerated.  But seriously, how many games has Nintendo produced that haven't been the same culprits from the last thirty years.  The Wii U's library of unique stuff is a bit anemic.  That's why it's important to get more people on board because Nintendo clearly don't know how to innovate any more.

 

A console generation of games shouldn't be just getting the same basic games to work with the extra controller tat that got shovelled in.


You'll never succeed with this argument no matter how much validity there is to what you're saying. 



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Mystro-Sama said:
Nintendo made a mockery out of themselves, and thats pretty much it. They would be similar to what Sony is now in the gaming space if just adapted instead of dying slowly with their stubborn mentality. And I think they played a large role in casualizing the Japan gaming market.


So true. Nintendo could have been so much more. they just lacked the balls and guts to try actually do it. 



bananaking21 said:
Mystro-Sama said:
Nintendo made a mockery out of themselves, and thats pretty much it. They would be similar to what Sony is now in the gaming space if just adapted instead of dying slowly with their stubborn mentality. And I think they played a large role in casualizing the Japan gaming market.


So true. Nintendo could have been so much more. they just lacked the balls and guts to try actually do it. 

Well, even if I want to buy a PS4 in some time, I wouldn't say Sony had balls. PS4 is just another PS1/2/3 with more power, and that's it; and I can't think of a bold move from them. I think they play very, very safe, not saying that's a bad thing, though. 



FentonCrackshell said:
Scapegoat? Ha! Nintendo simply failed to realize that launching a fad is something that never lasts forever. If so many were able to see that the novelty of Wii was simply novelty why couldn't the folks at Nintendo do the same? You think a console that's played by soccer moms and old people will always be the "in thing"? Those folks are fad shoppers who go out and buy anything that they're told is cool. When the prediction thread had WiiU at about 80 million sold at this point compared to PS4's 10 million no one was all "woe is me" about Nintendo. I think the only real scapegoat in this post is the OP trying to scapegoat everyone else for Nintendo's failures. After all, people crapped on PS3 when it was going badly and people are crapping on Xbox One as we speak. Who's the scapegoat for that?

And that's the problem. People who think it's not "cool" that these people play videogames. The elitism in some "hardcore" gamers is spectacular. 



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Srassy said:
Volterra_90 said:

Well, even if I want to buy a PS4 in some time, I wouldn't say Sony had balls. PS4 is just another PS1/2/3 with more power, and that's it; and I can't think of a bold move from them. I think they play very, very safe, not saying that's a bad thing, though. 


They didn't have to make bold moves because Sony were smart (for once).  They asked developers what they wanted.  They took heaps of time to design the console properly.  The PS3 was poorly designed and people let them know it.  Fixed the problems and now PS4 can play and install, got the party function finally, downloads while gaming, easy game recording and it seriously does make it easier to game with my real friends.

Exactly. They made a good hardware at a competitive price and asked developers to have a varied catalogue. That's Sony's sucess, they played smart. But that's nothing to do with having balls or boldness. They played safe, but they played great. Nothing bad about it as I said.  The path of innovation is hit and miss, depending on the public's reception. Nintendo suceeded with the Wii/DS and failed with the WiiU, that's a risk that comes with trying to do things a little different (at least, hardware-wise). And, well, the marketing was beyond awful. I saw commercials in my country marketing the console: "New Wii in HD". I know about people who think that it's not even a new console lol. 



Say what you want, Victim complex and all that shit, but me and a lot of people I know have been seeing this for years, every generation Nintendo is the favourite punch bag of gamers, always, I still remember the amount of mockering and shit "gamers" gave to Nintendo on the GC era. Now that same people says GC was incredible but they continue today saying the same shit.



I think Nintendo, like Apple is held to higher standards and expectations. Since so many treat them as the brand that can do no wrong, they are scrutinized for everything that goes wrong. For example, many younger gamers have been socially conditioned to accept that having broken games on launch day is a norm that has to be expected. Yet, whenever one glitch, one bug is found in a Nintendo game, they might be criticized by the very same people who are willing to give EA or Ubisoft a pass. Also, we see a new Call of Duty game every year, a new Assassins Creed, and a new Madden. Yet, it's Nintendo who seems to get the most criticism for releasing something that has Mario's face on it every year even though they're hardly the same game and in most cases aren't even part of the same genre.

In many ways, this is Nintendo's fault. They are one of the few companies who brag about quality and use the word innovation more than anyone else.They are very protective of their IP's. They are a Disney-like company who's consoles can survive entirely off of their own IP's. They are different and they promote this. So many people, fans and haters alike will treat them like they're different.



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Srassy said:
Miyamotoo said:

Yes they are completely fresh and new, Mario 3D World has 93 on metascore, it's one of the best games of 2013, and it has great sales, you cant have all that if you have just "same old game" for thirty years. Compare me Mario 3D World and Super Mario NES!?

You having 80 completely new, fresh and innovative games for PS4!? :)


Well, I didn't count the downloadable titles so 80 completely fresh games for PS4?  Yeah, why not?  I doubt you'll be able prove me wrong. :D

But yeah, I've played the new Nintendo games and they were good.  But it was the same.  They felt unambitious and considering how much their games cost here, I found my money spent better elsewhere.  It was Nintendo fatigue I guess.  I can't get into their games any more and I think other gamers are thinking the same thing considering Wii U sales figures.

Completely fresh and innovative new IP is one thing and just fresh games are totally different things. I will prove you are wrong if you name me those 80 games. :)

Thats yours very subjective opinion, but objectively for instance every 3D Mario game or 3D Zelda is having more new staffs and mechanics than half of new IPs on market, I will not even mention games that have sequels or yearly releases.



Srassy said:
Goodnightmoon said:
Say what you want, Victim complex and all that shit, but me and a lot of people I know have been seeing this for years, every generation Nintendo is the favourite punch bag of gamers, always, I still remember the amount of mockering and shit "gamers" gave to Nintendo on the GC era. Now that same people says GC was incredible but they continue today saying the same shit.


I would say that a lot of what you see would be confirmation bias combined with the fact that Nintendo absolutely makes some bonkers decisions.

Yet everybody praises the GC today, when it was " a cube for kids with no games" back in the day. Its only problem was not being a cheap DvD, because other than that GC had it all.