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Eddie_Raja on 27 November 2015
am8733 said:

Carl2291 hit the nail on the head exactly.

The sales are certainly disappointing for a game that is this good.  This game is one of the best I've played all year.

This brand just can't compete with the juggernaut franchises that launched at the same time, and people still buy these games no matter the quality (ie. COD).  

This game deserves to be a top seller based on quality, but that unfortunately is not how this market works anymore.  Instead we keep paying for and feeding the shit that gets spewed year after year, instead of promoting great games.

Unless you have a financial investment/shares in Microsoft, you really shouldn't care about how well this game sells.  Just enjoy the great game that it is.

Why exactly is this game so special?

-Its platforming and story massively pale to Uncharted

-Its shooting is inferior to COD/BF4/etc.

-It is linear as hell

Sure the end result is greater than the sum of its parts, but still I can't help but feel that some of the praise this game gets is simply because it only has one series its competing with.



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Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

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DakonBlackblade on 27 November 2015
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

I'm not convinced "Word of Mouth" is a legitimate reason to expect the game to have legs. Legs are typically a result of "replayability" and "retention". Word of Mouth can encourage sales, but without the prior two, the sales base won't grow significantly. 


Altough I mostly agree with you word of mouth worked wonders for certain games in the past, like Demon Souls, the entire Souls series was based on Demon Souls having great word of mouth publicity.



bananaking21 on 27 November 2015
Hiku said:
Justagamer said:
gintama said:

so , SF:V need to die too ?


No, only deals Microsoft makes are bad. Anything sony does is to be celebrated, and is great. I find it funny that this game selling bad is being celebrated by Sony fans, and saying that deals like this need to stop, but sony paying for deals left and right is totally fine.... love the double standards.

That's pretty hypocritical coming from you, since you were gloating about your early access to the game, and mocking the PS4 fans about having to wait one year.

"Have fun waiting."

And you got 8 thumbs up for that, so clearly you're not the only one here who enjoys gloating and mocking the PS4 fans.
And there is a difference between funding and co-developing a game that didn't have the R&D funds to begin development, as opposed to paying just to delay the game for the other fanbase. Something you were gloating about.
You can do that all you want, but at least be honest about it instead of playing the martyr in another topic.
For the record, I'd rather Sony didn't make that deal with Capcom as I'd rather as many people as possible play SFV, but that's not a great comparison to Tomb Raider. What Sony did with Tomb Raider 2 for PS1 is a closer comparison.




method114 on 27 November 2015
Carl2291 said:
It will have good legs, because its already having positive word of mouth with gamers.

However, the real reason for it "under-performing" is the absolutely fucking idiotic decision to release it when they did. Right after the 1-2-3 combo of Assassin's Creed, Syndicate, Halo 5 and Black Ops 3, they launched it during the same Week as Fallout 4. People only have so much money to spend on videogames, and the Tomb Raider franchise is a long, long way behind the likes of Halo, Call of Duty, Fallout, Need for Speed, Assassin's Creed and Star Wars.

Tomb Raider simply isnt a priority buy for the mass market. This title would be far, far more suited to the summer Months where it avoids the mega releases.


I said damn near the exact same thing in another thread similar to this one.  Summer would have been prefect and is also the time xbox seems to never have anything coming out.



Justagamer on 27 November 2015
bananaking21 said:

So very mature of you. Yet one more brand fan coming out and joining in with his mob like mentality. And, immature meme to go with it. What are you, in 5th grade? Seriously, who says "burn" anymore? It's time to grow up.



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bananaking21 on 27 November 2015
Justagamer said:
bananaking21 said:

So very mature of you. Yet one more brand fan coming out and joining in with his mob like mentality. And, immature meme to go with it. What are you, in 5th grade? Seriously, who says "burn" anymore? It's time to grow up.

- Moderated, Carl



yvanjean on 27 November 2015

FentonCrackshell said:

I think the buyout was simply to keep this off of PS4 while Halo 5 released. The "Greatest lineup in Xbox history" is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. It killed the sales of many games (Halo 5, Fallout 4, ROTR). Why release so many AAA titles in suck rapid succession? It did absolutely NOTHING for Xbox One. 

yvanjean said:


You clearly have no clue! Don't let Sony amazing success cloud your view on what the competition has been able to achieve. While the Xbox One hasn't reach the same success has Sony's PS4... they have still manage to deliver on the company fastest selling, most profitable console in Xbox history and you can't denied how great their game lineup has been.

Seem like every one on this thread forgot about Uncharted 4 and Sony failure to deliver on their promise. The reason Rise of Tomb Raider is time exclusive to Xbox one was because Uncharted 4 supposed release in Holiday 2015.


So you're telling me a great game like ROTR having paltry sales has nothing to do with it being released the same time as Fallout 4? Just answer that simple question. And where in my OP did I even mention Sony? You quickly bounced to MS defense mode as if I bashed the decision by praising Sony.

If Sony were to ever release Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, and ROTR at the same time they'd all hurt each other's sales. Thus this would be a bad decision all the way around. Don't get so angry and defensive over things you have no control over. Sheesh!

Finally, don't act as if ROTR were selling gangbusters Xbox fans wouldn't be in threads talking about how amazing the game is and how Sony fans have to wait another year to play it. They were all doing that prior to its release. Fanboyism works both ways. Sometimes you're the victor... Sometimes you're the victim. Feel free to categorize yourself in this one. 

Edit: I'm blown away how well Fallout 4 is selling I expected big just not that big... Fallout 4 is great for Xbox one too since the Fallout 4 bundle is very popular. 

 

Well if Rise of the Tomb Raider was going up against Uncharted 4 has a timed exclusive it would of done much better then what it did now going up with Fallout 4. But this release date and timeline was set long before the annoucement of Fallout 4. Microsoft doesn't care if most gamers pick up Fallout 4 over Rise of the Tomb raider as long has they can get people to buy their consoles. You are bashing the Microsoft promo "Greatest lineup in Xbox History", but microsoft goal is to sell consoles not really to sell gang buster Rise of the Tomb Raider. Tomb Raider franchise has limited appeal, they only sold less then 4 million in first year when the combine PS3 and Xbox 360 hardware was over 150 million.

Microsoft paying for this deal is to diversify their lineup and Rise of the Tomb Raider is great addition to that lineup. Sure today, when all of the game have just release the market is over saturated with great AAA games but come December and January. Rise of the Tomb raider should do very good numbers and there no other AAA in the action-adventure quite like Rise of the Tomb Raider this holiday season.  

ROTR is selling just is on par to every other exclusive from Xbox one that's not Halo or Titan Fall. Beside, while many sell were lost to Fallout 4, this game should still have long reach in this Holiday season and will do much better then if it was delayed to February or March 2016.

Selling 230K in first week released on the same day has Fallout 4 is very good numbers and we still don't know digital numbers. SAve to assume that this game sold more then 250k in the first week. 



yvanjean on 27 November 2015
The_BlackHeart__ said:
They got scared of having to deal with Uncharted on PS4 and started running on the opposite direction, just to find an abyss called Fallout 4 that sucked %90 of the XB1 sales.

Call me crazy, but I believe Tomb Raider could have sold better on the WiiU.

You're crazy!!! 



ArchangelMadzz on 27 November 2015
Justagamer said:
bananaking21 said:

So very mature of you. Yet one more brand fan coming out and joining in with his mob like mentality. And, immature meme to go with it. What are you, in 5th grade? Seriously, who says "burn" anymore? It's time to grow up.


Love how instead of acknowledging your blatant hypocrisy you move onto another user hoping the situation will go away. That's not a good look man.



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Justagamer on 27 November 2015
ArchangelMadzz said:
Justagamer said:

So very mature of you. Yet one more brand fan coming out and joining in with his mob like mentality. And, immature meme to go with it. What are you, in 5th grade? Seriously, who says "burn" anymore? It's time to grow up.


Love how instead of acknowledging your blatant hypocrisy you move onto another user hoping the situation will go away. That's not a good look man.

Hypocrisy? Sony fans were downplaying tomb Raider from the onset. That's what that quote was from, responding to the downplay by Sony fans. Now, bananaguy comes out of nowhere and starts shit with stupid memes, and it's me that's moved to another user? Dafuq are you talking about?