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In short; Social justice warriors are uptight morons who are ruining everything. Next thing you know they'll get swimsuit calendars banned, or even kitten calendars because "Waaa, I don't like cats so this offends me!".

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Just going to throw it out there but have any of you ever noticed that the only people mad at SJW's are those not impacted by social injustice?



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SpokenTruth said:
Lawlight said:
SpokenTruth said:

Actually, it didn't.  Look at the western sales of the series and you tell me if it's worth the trouble of localizing when sales would be poor to start but must also now consider the social climate of the regions.

Their decision to not localize the game makes sense.  They'd likely lose money and have to deal with the negative press.  All that was pretty obvious.

But given the sales of the series, apparently most people agree with my assertion that free Google is better than $60 volley ball booby physics.


The game is already releasing in English so what localisation? And digital release won't cost them a thing so the only money they're losing here is from sales.

Am I to assume you believe that loalization only involves language translation?

Localisation doesn't only require English language translation. You wanna officially release in Europe? You need to translate at least into German, French, Italian, Spanish and Dutch in addition to English. You wanna release in the Americas, you need to add Portuguese, as Brazil is the largest South American gaming market. It's pretty ignorant for someone to think that for official western release just translate into English and job done. But perhaps USA=the world to some people, so to them English is all that's needed.

In some ways I think DOA is fortunate to have a ready made excuse other than, we can't be arsed putting in the effort to service a market that is too small to make a profit from if we do all the work that is necessary to localise the game for western release. 

I wouldn't be surprised of more Japanese games go this route. Just do English translation, release in the Asian markets and let the gamers import if they want. I wouldn't be surprised to see Asian based online retailers staritng to offer much cheaper shipping rates to western markets. I already buy games cheaper online from a UK based online retailer, with free shipping to New Zealand, than I can buy at retail here in New Zealand. Profitability with a small but enthusiastic western fanbase is probably much better by not officially releasing a game in the west. That's the beauty of not having a region locked console.

If you want games to be officially released in the west then start demanding a return to region-locked consoles. 



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Random_Matt said:
Game isn't that great any more, i believe the original creator or whatever said it merely sells on a sex appeal rather than being a decent fighting game.

He was refering to the Dead or Alive fighting game. This is just a spinoff featuring various beach sports and games.



binary solo said:

Localisation doesn't only require English language translation. You wanna officially release in Europe? You need to translate at least into German, French, Italian, Spanish and Dutch in addition to English. You wanna release in the Americas, you need to add Portuguese, as Brazil is the largest South American gaming market. It's pretty ignorant for someone to think that for official western release just translate into English and job done. But perhaps USA=the world to some people, so to them English is all that's needed.

In some ways I think DOA is fortunate to have a ready made excuse other than, we can't be arsed putting in the effort to service a market that is too small to make a profit from if we do all the work that is necessary to localise the game for western release. 

I wouldn't be surprised of more Japanese games go this route. Just do English translation, release in the Asian markets and let the gamers import if they want. I wouldn't be surprised to see Asian based online retailers staritng to offer much cheaper shipping rates to western markets. I already buy games cheaper online from a UK based online retailer, with free shipping to New Zealand, than I can buy at retail here in New Zealand. Profitability with a small but enthusiastic western fanbase is probably much better by not officially releasing a game in the west. That's the beauty of not having a region locked console.

If you want games to be officially released in the west then start demanding a return to region-locked consoles. 

It goes even further than that too.  Because you need to pass lot checks for each major region (which can be expensive and time consuming) and pay/pass any required ratings boards.  

Any marketing and promotional activity is also going to be costly and needs time to prepare if it wasn't planned from the beginning. 

A digital release also requires them to work with Sony on getting it on the western PSN stores.  People don't realize that takes mroe than just the flick of a switch.

And of course this says nothing of a retail version.



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NYANKS said:
I heard the game has an english language choice, so import might be fully #worth. Can anyone verify?

http://www.play-asia.com/dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-fortune-multi-language/13/709dv7



jigokutamago said:
Just import the Japanese version, because I'm going to take a wild guess and say you people are not getting this for the dialogue and plot.


I'm TOTALLY going to focus on plot.

 

Not only that, but I'll be focusing on the details on the characters(if you know what I mean)

 

/intense sarcasm

 

 

(I would never get this game though. Super Street Fighter V's Sexy Ryu FTW)



 

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This is the worst nightmare! I don't want to live in this nightmare anymore !!!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOOOOO!

Seriously tho, i heard dat this game will have PlayStation.VR supported. Very potential to be a huge hit!



SpokenTruth said:
Just going to throw it out there but have any of you ever noticed that the only people mad at SJW's are those not impacted by social injustice?


All the current groups such as LGBTQ+, Feminism, BLM and so on are ridiculous nowadays.

 

I used to be interested in them. However, I realized they're as bad as the people they claim to be against. 

Many of them make fun of the "privileged" kinds and say it's fine due to it being a joke, yet blow up whenever a person creates a mild joke against them.


When it comes to this, feminists will have their guns keyboards ready to backlash this because women are shown more for their body than looks and whatnot. Yet, they do things such as slut walks? How does that work? Tell me how you can be against focus on a woman's appeal, but support people such as sluts, prostitutes, and so on? It's either you're fine with both or neither. It's not hard to realize that it'd be a contradiction to be against one of the examples I said and be with one of the examples I said.

 

Oh, and if the "feminists" are trying to remove stereotypes and make both genders equal, then why don't they say anything about Ryu from Street Fighter? 

At least woman many woman can look like the girls in Xtreme 3! It's not rare for a girl to have huge breasts. However, many guy characters in games are extremely unselfish, act like a stepladder for others, are extremely buff, tall, and so on. They're basically macho jesus!

 

I'm not a prick and realize it's a GAME. While I am disappointed sometimes with my slender figure, I realize that they may look slightly unreal for a reason- it's not meant to be realistic. It's a game- FUN. IMAGINATION. We've seen reality enough! We don't need people to keep ruining our creativity to games.

Video game developer try to make it where we experience new things. Imagine if we saw "natural" people all the time. Where's the fun in that?

 

Look at Bayonetta for instance. Yes, she does have some unnatural featues. Yet, look at what that does to her! it's what makes her unique! If female ISIS feminists got their way, Bayonetta wouldn't be as cool as the developers wanted her to be.

 

So yes. This extremely long rant I created was an answer to your question. Most of the people that are "offended" by this are overemotional pricks that should probably not be on the internet if they're going to cry over anything. A woman with huge breasts is not "injustice". And to be honest, I'm sure any guy would feel quite disturbed from a skinny girl with breasts as huge as a Basketball.

 

Maybe if people were to stop getting offended so easily, this wouldn't be such a problem.

(Waits for a "that's offensive!" or "I'm a X and not all of us are like that" comment)



 

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binary solo said:
outlawauron said:
But I was told it was not censorship if a developer makes the decision themselves.

It isn't.

It is also PR bullshit that KT has decided not to localise the game mostly because of a potential feminist backlash. The reason they won't localise is because the game won't sell well enough to make it worthwhile. And because they know all the western fans will buy one of the Asian releases anyway, which will no doubt be imported by a few retailers. They can't figure out a way to market the game in the west, so the best way to market it is to not officially release it and to blame fear of a "treatment of women" backlash, that way people will go out of their way to buy the game to spite those damned feminists. So all in all, a blame the feminists strategy for not getting an official release is an excellent marketing tool. Arguably therefore the perception that feminists have killed DoA in the west will actually lead to the game selling more in the west through unofficial channels than recent previous official releases.

So perhaps you should be thnking feminists to help raise the profile of this game and get people interested in it who otherwise would have ignored it. Go the feminists!

Well, this actually isn't true. DOA sells better in the West than it does in Japan. Koei Tecmo also localizes series that sell far worse than DOA in a consistent manner. It has nothing to do with cost of localization. It likely doesn't make enough to force them to localize it regardless of backlash. Would definitely make money though.

The only person this news benefits is Play Asia and fragile minded slacktivists.



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