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3sexty said:
hudsoniscool said:


Nice breakdown, however I believe digital is a little higher. Maybe even 30 percent, here's why. The halo 5 consoles were all digital, and the LE's were digital. Also I feel like people wanted to play right at midnight(9pm here on the west coast). Buying it digitally allowed people to download the big patch early. Anyway I think it's at least 20%. Also I feel like the 38% of ltd is fw is too low for this game. It's early in the gen and there's only 15 million consoles sold. If 343 doesn't put out a halo fps in the next year or 2 it will help h5's legs. Although if we go odst2 or something next year that would kill it. Seams like halo wars might come out late next year if it doesn't get delayed. I don't think a era will hurt its sales. And with all the free content being added that can only help. 

 

Anyway if u are right

2.75 million Fw and 7.34 LT isn't that bad for a console that isn't in great shape. Some people act like its the end of the world but that isn't really that bad.

Why do people keep saying that the xboxone is in a not so good state/ shape when it is still leading the 360 in the equivalent timeframe? Was the 360 in poor shape at the same time point in time? Not sure I understand this??

Because 360 didn't fire the chart until 2nd half of the gen when xb360 slim with kinect launched, also was much cheaper than ps3 most of the gen.  Also with the 1 year advantage over ps3, it manage to have a good install base outside US and UK unlike xb1.  In other words, without a kinect this time around, no 1 year advantage, no price advantage and struggling to sell outside US and Uk, xb1 has no chance of keeping that pace the whole gen.



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SWORDF1SH said:
jason1637 said:
SWORDF1SH said:
Let's do a summary.

1.5M in US for first week and according to VGC the ROW make up 32% of sales(Halo 4). This gives us a projection of 2.2M at retail WW.

Now add digital. 20% is the upper limit for digital and I believe that Halo will be pushing that or exceeding it slightly so we'll stick with 20% of sales being digital. That brings the total up to 2.75M digital and retail.

Now we can project the LTD sales. According to VGC, 1st week accounted for 38% of LTD for Halo 4. This will project Halo 5 to have a LTD of 7.34M

So if rumor is correct and VGC data is reliable LTD sales should be between 6.6M and 8M.

That's isn't too bad for halo, but puts it below 2,3,4 and Reach.


Since x1 is around 14.5m and if it sold 2.75m in 5 days then thats above 20% which is a good attach rate.

Also do you think it could have reached 3m witht he other 3 days of tracking?

What other 3 days?

The 1.5 was only tracked from tue oc 27th-sat oct 31st.



jason1637 said:
SWORDF1SH said:
jason1637 said:
SWORDF1SH said:
Let's do a summary.

1.5M in US for first week and according to VGC the ROW make up 32% of sales(Halo 4). This gives us a projection of 2.2M at retail WW.

Now add digital. 20% is the upper limit for digital and I believe that Halo will be pushing that or exceeding it slightly so we'll stick with 20% of sales being digital. That brings the total up to 2.75M digital and retail.

Now we can project the LTD sales. According to VGC, 1st week accounted for 38% of LTD for Halo 4. This will project Halo 5 to have a LTD of 7.34M

So if rumor is correct and VGC data is reliable LTD sales should be between 6.6M and 8M.

That's isn't too bad for halo, but puts it below 2,3,4 and Reach.


Since x1 is around 14.5m and if it sold 2.75m in 5 days then thats above 20% which is a good attach rate.

Also do you think it could have reached 3m witht he other 3 days of tracking?

What other 3 days?

The 1.5 was only tracked from tue oc 27th-sat oct 31st.

1. That's 5 days not 4
2 99% of games launch on a Tuesday and have 6 days of tracking first week
3 This equals 1 day missing
4 Can you confirm that it's tracking for October to the 31st or do we count the overspill of the whole week into the next month like NPD would do or any tracking data tracking service.



AlfredoTurkey said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I think the people focusing on that are primarily not Halo fans.

Also, it has continued to sell fairly well and many own it via bundling. Perhaps word is getting around that MCC is arguably the best multiplayer game around. Maybe?


I'm just happy as hell that we even HAVE the MCC because I don't like 343 Halo at all. To me, Halo sort of ended with Bungie leaving. Yes, I played and beat Halo 4 (on legendary none the less), but it didn't feel like Bungie Halo. Having the MCC and soon, the ability to play Halo 3 on my Xbox One has allowed me to continue to play my favorite FPS for many years to come without having to deal with 343's "vision"... or whatever it is. 

Every Halo has an audience. I can pop in any Halo game on 360 and find thousand of playing at any moment. Even if you dont like 4 or 5, many  will do so for years.

Personally, I think Halo 4 is the best. But I have fun playing certain modes on all of them. I'm playing 5, but I've also been spending time with Reach.

Edit: Now that I think about it, you're probably focusing on campaigns while I'm discussing multiplayer. Halo 4 and 5 have good campaigns. Arguably better pacing and definitely better story telling and Bungie's trilogy. I really liked Reach's campaign, probably my favorite from Bungie.



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Zekkyou said:
3sexty said:

Why do people keep saying that the xboxone is in a not so good state/ shape when it is still leading the 360 in the equivalent timeframe? Was the 360 in poor shape at the same time point in time? Not sure I understand this??

It wasn't necessarily in 'poor shape', but the 360 did have quite a slow start, and had a very drawn out peak period (VGC numbers):

2005: 1.2m
2006: 6.8m
2007: 7.9m
2008: 10.9m
2009: 10.2m
2010: 13.3m
2011: 13.8m
2012: 10.7m
2013: 6.2m
2014: 2.6m

So while the X1 is presently a few million ahead, in relative terms it's outpacing a console that hasn't yet entered its very drawn out peak period. So unless the X1 sees a similar sales curve (which presently seems unlikely), or something happens to cause its sales to fly through the roof for the next few years, it will fall quite short of the 360 once all it said and done. It's not completely outside the realm of possibility that the X1 ends up ahead, it just looks rather unlucky right now.

That all said, i personally think those saying that the X1 is in a bad place are wrong. Even if it does fail to match its predecessor by a large margin, it's doing more than well enough to justify its existence. If it wasn't it wouldn't have such strong 3rd party support.

Thank for this and yes I would agree - I had not taken into consideration all these factors. Great response and well thought out.



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Seems like an overall succesful launch of Halo 5. Hopefully MS in the very near future can establish another IP or two with staying power. It would go a long way in staying competitive.



jason1637 said:

The 1.5 was only tracked from tue oc 27th-sat oct 31st.


Even if this doesn't include the sunday, that's as many days as both Halo 3 and Halo 4 had in their first weeks. First week means the first calendar week, not the first 7 days btw. If a game launches on saturday, then its first week will only be that saturday and sunday. Likewise, Halo 5's first week is from Tuesday to Sunday (which is almost a full 7 days anyway).



Zekkyou said:
3sexty said:

Why do people keep saying that the xboxone is in a not so good state/ shape when it is still leading the 360 in the equivalent timeframe? Was the 360 in poor shape at the same time point in time? Not sure I understand this??

It wasn't necessarily in 'poor shape', but the 360 did have quite a slow start, and had a very drawn out peak period (VGC numbers):

2005: 1.2m
2006: 6.8m
2007: 7.9m
2008: 10.9m
2009: 10.2m
2010: 13.3m
2011: 13.8m
2012: 10.7m
2013: 6.2m
2014: 2.6m

So while the X1 is presently a few million ahead, in relative terms it's outpacing a console that hasn't yet entered its very drawn out peak period. So unless the X1 sees a similar sales curve (which presently seems unlikely), or something happens to cause its sales to fly through the roof for the next few years, it will fall quite short of the 360 once all it said and done. It's not completely outside the realm of possibility that the X1 ends up ahead, it just looks rather unlucky right now.

That all said, i personally think those saying that the X1 is in a bad place are wrong. Even if it does fail to match its predecessor by a large margin, it's doing more than well enough to justify its existence. If it wasn't it wouldn't have such strong 3rd party support.

I dunno. I think Xbox is the Anti-Nintendo in terms of 3rd party support. 3rd parites know that for most games a Xbox release will make its money back and they mostly see that there is commercial benefit in not having a complete hardware monopoly. And even if Xbox is not doing very well games will still sell decently enough.

People who think Xb one has a chance of selling like 360 are delluding themselves, but it's also pretty clear that Xb one will pass Xb og LTD fairly easily and thus it will acheive an install base that would be pretty respectable under most circumstances. Only the final LTD for Xb one is likely to be disappointing because MS squandered what it achieved with 360 in a manner that seems to mimic Sony's squandering of the PS2 achievement, and in the minds of some people if MS had done things right Xbox would be the number 1 global console hardware. So if they end the generaion 2:1 behind PS4 that is a huge loss of potential.

I of course never though Xbox had a chance of being number 1 globally even if they got everything right. But I was expecting Xbox to sell something more like 1:1.2-1.3 vs PS4 globally, until the Xb one announcements and PR nightmares happened. Ultimately if MS is not disappointed with this generation then they won't have learned anything. And we know Sony was ultimately disappointed with the PS3 generation because with PS4 they showed they learned a lot, and they produced something that allowed the market to forgive, even though they won't have forgotten. I just hope Sony doesn;t think that by the end of this generation people will have forgotten. If they think the gamer market has forgotten they may well screw up again. Perhaps the fate of Xb one will help Sony not to delude themselves into thinking the market has forgotten.



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2008ProchargedGT said:
Seems like an overall succesful launch of Halo 5. Hopefully MS in the very near future can establish another IP or two with staying power. It would go a long way in staying competitive.


QB looks like it could be a big exclusive.



jason1637 said:
2008ProchargedGT said:
Seems like an overall succesful launch of Halo 5. Hopefully MS in the very near future can establish another IP or two with staying power. It would go a long way in staying competitive.


QB looks like it could be a big exclusive.


I feel it will have as much staying power as Alan Wake unfortunately. If it isnt a massive success it would be nice to see them stick with it tho.