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maverick40 on 25 October 2015

No surprise there. They are getting completely thrashed worldwide.



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Aeolus451 on 25 October 2015
OutlawStar said:
I still don't understand people saying the One is doing bad... Doing bad compared to what? The PS4? The Wii? (not the WiiU)... Maybe if you compare those charts yes. But if you compare to the Xbox 360, the One is still ahead by ~2.75m units... So I don't view the One as being a bad seller at all. It is a sales improvement so far compared to their last console, and to me that is more important than out selling everyone. It is just the people out there looking to bash Microsoft that will use other devices number to bring down the One. So with people doing that, they have to find another way to make people THINK they are not doing bad (because they are not at all.)


But I guess that's just my opinion?


Because it did really bad compared to it's competition this gen when a good bit of gamers thought it would beat the PS4 before the gen started. The gap between the PS4/xbox one is only widening. That's the big picture.  Redefining the metrics of success so everyone seems a winner won't change anything in reality. Skewing the facts won't change anything. Stating that xbox one is losing badly to the PS4 is not bashing, it's just fact. Bashing would be something like "the xbox one's games are crap". It can't be backed up whatsoever and it's simple mud slinging.



KiigelHeart on 25 October 2015
Aeolus451 said:
OutlawStar said:
I still don't understand people saying the One is doing bad... Doing bad compared to what? The PS4? The Wii? (not the WiiU)... Maybe if you compare those charts yes. But if you compare to the Xbox 360, the One is still ahead by ~2.75m units... So I don't view the One as being a bad seller at all. It is a sales improvement so far compared to their last console, and to me that is more important than out selling everyone. It is just the people out there looking to bash Microsoft that will use other devices number to bring down the One. So with people doing that, they have to find another way to make people THINK they are not doing bad (because they are not at all.)


But I guess that's just my opinion?


Because it did really bad compared to it's competition this gen when a good bit of gamers thought it would beat the PS4 before the gen started. The gap between the PS4/xbox one is only widening. That's the big picture.  Redefining the metrics of success so everyone seems a winner won't change anything in reality. Skewing the facts won't change anything. Stating that xbox one is losing badly to the PS4 is not bashing, it's just fact. Bashing would be something like "the xbox one's games are crap". It can't be backed up whatsoever and it's simple mud slinging.

That's the opposite of big picture. That's just looking at things through console-wars glasses. And MS is shrugging off this consolewar nonsense, surely because they're losing badly, but this is where the big picture kicks in. You can still be profitable, follow your strategy, build your brand stronger and offer quality products for your customers even if you're not a market leader.



Aeolus451 on 25 October 2015
KiigelHeart said:
Aeolus451 said:


Because it did really bad compared to it's competition this gen when a good bit of gamers thought it would beat the PS4 before the gen started. The gap between the PS4/xbox one is only widening. That's the big picture.  Redefining the metrics of success so everyone seems a winner won't change anything in reality. Skewing the facts won't change anything. Stating that xbox one is losing badly to the PS4 is not bashing, it's just fact. Bashing would be something like "the xbox one's games are crap". It can't be backed up whatsoever and it's simple mud slinging.

That's the opposite of big picture. That's just looking at things through console-wars glasses. And MS is shrugging off this consolewar nonsense, surely because they're losing badly, but this is where the big picture kicks in. You can still be profitable, follow your strategy, build your brand stronger and offer quality products for your customers even if you're not a market leader.


No it's not. I was talking about the console war and who's winning it or in other words, who has the marketshare this gen. I brought it up because that guy I responded to was trying to say that the xbox one wasn't doing badly. 

Ms and nintendo are doing what as you described. Trying to build up brand and make a profit this gen. 



KiigelHeart on 25 October 2015
Aeolus451 said:
KiigelHeart said:

That's the opposite of big picture. That's just looking at things through console-wars glasses. And MS is shrugging off this consolewar nonsense, surely because they're losing badly, but this is where the big picture kicks in. You can still be profitable, follow your strategy, build your brand stronger and offer quality products for your customers even if you're not a market leader.


No it's not. I was talking about the console war and who's winning it or in other words, who has the marketshare this gen. I brought it up because that guy I responded to was trying to say that the xbox one wasn't doing badly. 

Ms and nintendo are doing what as you described. Trying to build up brand and make a profit this gen. 

You should read his post again because you totally missed his point. He even said it's doing badly when compared to PS4 but there's more to it. You know, that big picture you're missing. It's not about redefining any metrics of success, they're all there already.



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Aeolus451 on 25 October 2015
KiigelHeart said:
Aeolus451 said:
KiigelHeart said:

That's the opposite of big picture. That's just looking at things through console-wars glasses. And MS is shrugging off this consolewar nonsense, surely because they're losing badly, but this is where the big picture kicks in. You can still be profitable, follow your strategy, build your brand stronger and offer quality products for your customers even if you're not a market leader.


No it's not. I was talking about the console war and who's winning it or in other words, who has the marketshare this gen. I brought it up because that guy I responded to was trying to say that the xbox one wasn't doing badly. 

Ms and nintendo are doing what as you described. Trying to build up brand and make a profit this gen. 

You should read his post again because you totally missed his point. He even said it's doing badly when compared to PS4 but there's more to it. You know, that big picture you're missing. It's not about redefining any metrics of success, they're all there already.

I was talking about console market and not corporate strategy or profits. It was about "MS is a success because it's doing better than the 360". It's not. Marketshare is what used to determine how well a console does in it's respective gen. That's the way I used "big picture". Of course, it could keep being escalulated back and forth to no end. "that's not the big picture, this is." over and over again.  I'm not gonna take part in that circular nonsense. 



KiigelHeart on 25 October 2015
Aeolus451 said:
KiigelHeart said:
Aeolus451 said:
KiigelHeart said:

That's the opposite of big picture. That's just looking at things through console-wars glasses. And MS is shrugging off this consolewar nonsense, surely because they're losing badly, but this is where the big picture kicks in. You can still be profitable, follow your strategy, build your brand stronger and offer quality products for your customers even if you're not a market leader.


No it's not. I was talking about the console war and who's winning it or in other words, who has the marketshare this gen. I brought it up because that guy I responded to was trying to say that the xbox one wasn't doing badly. 

Ms and nintendo are doing what as you described. Trying to build up brand and make a profit this gen. 

You should read his post again because you totally missed his point. He even said it's doing badly when compared to PS4 but there's more to it. You know, that big picture you're missing. It's not about redefining any metrics of success, they're all there already.

I was talking about console market and not corporate strategy or profits. It was about "MS is a success because it's doing better than the 360". It's not. Marketshare is what used to determine how well a console does in it's respective gen. That's the way I used "big picture". Of course, it could keep being escalulated back and forth to no end. "that's not the big picture, this is." over and over again.  I'm not gonna take part in that circular nonsense. 

He didn't even call X1 a success 😐 ok so you see it as circular nonsense and choose to see only X1 vs PS4 sales numbers, fair enough. Just makes me wonder why you even bothered replying then.



OutlawStar on 26 October 2015
KiigelHeart said:
Aeolus451 said:
KiigelHeart said:
Aeolus451 said:
KiigelHeart said:

That's the opposite of big picture. That's just looking at things through console-wars glasses. And MS is shrugging off this consolewar nonsense, surely because they're losing badly, but this is where the big picture kicks in. You can still be profitable, follow your strategy, build your brand stronger and offer quality products for your customers even if you're not a market leader.


No it's not. I was talking about the console war and who's winning it or in other words, who has the marketshare this gen. I brought it up because that guy I responded to was trying to say that the xbox one wasn't doing badly. 

Ms and nintendo are doing what as you described. Trying to build up brand and make a profit this gen. 

You should read his post again because you totally missed his point. He even said it's doing badly when compared to PS4 but there's more to it. You know, that big picture you're missing. It's not about redefining any metrics of success, they're all there already.

I was talking about console market and not corporate strategy or profits. It was about "MS is a success because it's doing better than the 360". It's not. Marketshare is what used to determine how well a console does in it's respective gen. That's the way I used "big picture". Of course, it could keep being escalulated back and forth to no end. "that's not the big picture, this is." over and over again.  I'm not gonna take part in that circular nonsense. 

He didn't even call X1 a success 😐 ok so you see it as circular nonsense and choose to see only X1 vs PS4 sales numbers, fair enough. Just makes me wonder why you even bothered replying then.

Yes, I read his posts and I dont even feel like responding to him because he doesnt understand my point. In the end Everything sucks compared to the Wii sales. Even though thats soooo last gen. LOL :P



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Aeolus451 on 27 October 2015
OutlawStar said:
KiigelHeart said:

He didn't even call X1 a success 😐 ok so you see it as circular nonsense and choose to see only X1 vs PS4 sales numbers, fair enough. Just makes me wonder why you even bothered replying then.

Yes, I read his posts and I dont even feel like responding to him because he doesnt understand my point. In the end Everything sucks compared to the Wii sales. Even though thats soooo last gen. LOL :P


Whoever said anything about wii sales? *shakes head



KiigelHeart on 27 October 2015
Aeolus451 said:
OutlawStar said:

Yes, I read his posts and I dont even feel like responding to him because he doesnt understand my point. In the end Everything sucks compared to the Wii sales. Even though thats soooo last gen. LOL :P


Whoever said anything about wii sales? *shakes head

Geez you really don't get what he's saying, do you? 😁