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Agree with the Canadian Prime Minister?

Yes 37 16.59%
 
No 138 61.88%
 
I couldn't care less 47 21.08%
 
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Puppyroach said:
I am no feminist but I agree with him regarding GG, and to some degree regarding the other issue. I want more diversity in games and I personally want misogony to go away (it all depends on the context of the game though). But I mainly want game developers to have a high degree of freedom to develop games the way they want them to be.

Do you want mysandry to go away?

As for diversity in video games, I think there's plenty. If you actually look at the games that are being released, it's very diverse. The idea that the vast majority of protagonists are white males is dated and needs to be rectified.



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animegaming said:
the-pi-guy said:
Don't think he knows what gamergate is.

Agree about the feminism stuff though.


i imagine his staff googled gamergate then just told him the first thing they saw 

 

which was this 


Wikipedia articles relating to internet people's history and culture went to shit after Shii left. I'm not really surprised it only show one side of a controversy.

People should stop pretending fiction is reality. There are really few mysoginists games and most of them are obscure 80's games.



GamerGate is cancer. Just thinking about it reduces your lifespan.

 

The issue of Gender Equality in Games and Games Community should be entirely seperate from the issue of Game Journalism Ethics, it's just conflated together into one giant clusterfuck so that it can self-perpetuate and self-sustain itself on ignorance, FUD/Lies, misdirection, and pretty much anything other than solutions. And anyone who says anything on in it at this point, has no intent on solving or even really addressing it, partly because its a hot fucking mess, but also because at least w/ regard to mainstream media it's just perpetuating the decade's old videogames/gamers are bad crap.



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he will do nothing about it, he can't do anything about it and soon he will realize there are actually real issues he can tackle that will impact his country in a good way (like legalizing all drugs finally as an example).



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Lawlight said:
Conegamer said:

Well for starts I don't think anyone, regardless of their gender, sex, ethnicity etc. should be attacked or abused because of who they are. So quite simply a little respect is all that really matters at the end of the day. There's no point attacking someone just because they're different to you if you ask me! 

 

Though ofcourse the whole connection to videogames is a non issue anyway for the most part. But that's not this topic IMO. 

How is that specifically related to women? This applies to anyone.

What he said are basically the core values of feminism. If you think that applies to everyone than you think feminism applies to everyone. Feminism, despite it's somewhat misleading name, is not about women per se. It's about equality. For erveryone. Regardless of sex, gender, sexual orientation or race.

Feminism aknowleges mysogynoism juat as much as misandrism and labels both as wrong. Sadly this is often misunderstood by supporters and detractors of feminism alike. There's nothing more annoying than self-appointed feminists spouting misandrist babble.

The thing is, 'we need to fight misogyny' in just about any context should not be a controversial standpoint. It should be a no-brainer. Just as much as 'we need to fight misandry' or 'we need to fight racism' should be a no-brainer.

As for GG, at this point sadly the movement is undivorceable from the horrible things it's loudest minority did, as far as the public concience is concerned. Whenever GG is brought up by the mainstream Media it's the harrassment and mysogynistic tendencies that parts of the movement did display, that are discussed. Overshadowing, the more serious issues GG was trying to raise awareness for. But labeling the mainstream media or the left wing, as bullies because they take a stance against bulliyng and by proxy pretending that the harrassment didn't happen and the whole GG movement is just a misunderstood part of gaming culture doesn't help either. If you sympathise with a movement, you have to be able to examine it critically and distance yourself clearly from the shit they did wrong in the past in order to do it better in the future. Otherwise your movement will die a slow and muddled death. No one benefits.

Although I would argue that, while mysogyonism was definively also present in the GG harrassment campaings, the fact that these campaings even happened, is more to do with general problems of the internet- and perhaps gamerculture. Death- and rapethreats are much too easliy thrown around, mob mentality and bulliyng happens way too easily. Male devs have been harrassed just as bad before. And to be at the recieving end of such a shitstorm, especially if your adress gets leaked, has to be fucking scary for just about anyone.



Lawlight said:
VGPolyglot said:
It depends on what the game is trying to achieve. If it's obvious that it is a fictional work, then leave it be. If it is clear that it is trying to send a message promoting misogyny, then attack it with criticism.

How many games promote misogyny?

I wasn't implying that there were, I just said that if there were that we should criticize them.



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Puppyroach said:
I am no feminist but I agree with him regarding GG, and to some degree regarding the other issue. I want more diversity in games and I personally want misogony to go away (it all depends on the context of the game though). But I mainly want game developers to have a high degree of freedom to develop games the way they want them to be.


What i want is for them to think about none of that. When you are forcing them to take into account your personal values, their creation is going to be affected by you. It will no longer be their creation. It will be an abortion. 

This leads to very forced and lame creations. You can tell when something is beeing forced in order to give special treatment to groups that think they are discriminated. Its all bollocks because discrimination only happens when you treat someone in a special way. In a way, giving special treatment is also racism. Be it in a negative or positive way. But alas, you wont see said groups unhappy when its a positive special treatment, wich just goes to prove how contradictory they are.



As a PM he has real problems he should be worried about instead of a non issue



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