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bouzane on 22 October 2015
padib said:
bouzane said:


It has less to do with "cencorship in the past" and more to do with Christian movements such as Nazism. Do you honestly think that censorship is the crime that people are concerned with and not their fostering of white supremacy, fascism, torture, child molestation, war and terrorism? Do you actually think that these organizations are innocent of any serious wrongdoing? We are talking about the most widespread force for "evil" the world has ever seen and one that continues to undermine civil liberties and foster hatred. Sorry but you really are naive if you think that the Churches are a positive force that people hate for "cencorship in the past"... I mean really, that's the motive you made up for our actions, really? I participate in the undermining of Churches because they dehumanized me as a child, they are connected to nearly every white supremacist in the damn province and they make a fortune off of spreading their disgusting values. Do not pretend to understand my actions or motives and do not make up explanations.

You're twisting my words. I never said it was the only reason, I said it was A reason.

And I was trying to highlight an irony in what you and your "Friends" were up to.

Quite creepy stuff bro.


It was never a reason to begin with, it was something you just made up.

Also, my point still stands. I know numerous religious leaders who hate the religions that they pretend to believe in and I know many politicians who hate the ideologies that they pretend to adhere to (as well as their voters). I might even go as far as to say that this is the majority if not a sizeable minority of those who hold power. If you want to destroy something you do it from within and Harper is probably the greatest example I have ever encountered. Again, you would have to be incredibly gullible to see his actions as anything but malicious. I was victimized by the Church, my family is constantly oppressed by the Churches, our society is constantly attacked by the Churches and many people such as myself work our way into positions of power where we can destroy them. The exact same applies to politics as the nation's greatest enemies are politicians. I fear that we have been derailing this thread so I will leave it at this, you can go ahead and invent reasons for my actions or fail to address my points all you want now.

@OP

I fear for Western Liberalism. I fear that the great ideology of freedom may succumb to Neo-Progressivism and Authoritarianism. Trudeau may not be as bad as Harper but many of his actions seem misguided and he certainly doesn't strike me as being an actual Liberal.



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bouzane on 22 October 2015
padib said:
bouzane said:

It was never a reason to begin with, it was something you just made up.

Also, my point still stands. I know numerous religious leaders who hate the religions that they pretend to believe in and I know many politicians who hate the ideologies that they pretend to adhere to (as well as their voters). I might even go as far as to say that this is the majority if not a sizeable minority of those who hold power. If you want to destroy something you do it from within and Harper is probably the greatest example I have ever encountered. Again, you would have to be incredibly gullible to see his actions as anything but malicious. I was victimized by the Church, my family is constantly oppressed by the Churches, our society is constantly attacked by the Churches and many people such as myself work our way into positions of power where we can destroy them. The exact same applies to politics as the nation's greatest enemies are politicians. I fear that we have been derailing this thread so I will leave it at this, you can go ahead and invent reasons for my actions or fail to address my points all you want now.

@OP

I fear for Western Liberalism. I fear that the great ideology of freedom may succumb to Neo-Progressivism and Authoritarianism. Trudeau may not be as bad as Harper but many of his actions seem misguided and he certainly doesn't strike me as being an actual Liberal.

@bold. The catholic church indexed a slew of books, it's not something I made up. Believe it or not, they did much like what you did with your buddies: they put the Bible to index (censorship).


It is not the reason for my actions. You insinuated that it was. You were wrong for having done so.



AlfredoTurkey on 22 October 2015
LivingMetal said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
LivingMetal said:


As an artist, I respectfully disagree with you that video games fall under the umbrella of art.


If writing is an art form... if story telling... is an art form... then a video game based on story and writing is, art. I didn't play FFX because of it's twitch gameplay. I played it to find out what happened to Tidus. It moved me, and millions of other people emotionally far beyond "push x really fast and beat bad guys up". 

Remember that Japanese commercial for the PS3 remake? Where it's nothing but the music of the game and people crying? Some games do fall under the same umbrella of art. Not all, but some. There is no difference in a good movie, song or game. 

Just because something has a story doesn't mean it's art.  Period.

EDIT: FFX SUCKS! Imho.


I'm really curious to know what you define as art. Please enlighten me. 



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 23 October 2015



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MikeRox on 23 October 2015
LivingMetal said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
LivingMetal said:


As an artist, I respectfully disagree with you that video games fall under the umbrella of art.


If writing is an art form... if story telling... is an art form... then a video game based on story and writing is, art. I didn't play FFX because of it's twitch gameplay. I played it to find out what happened to Tidus. It moved me, and millions of other people emotionally far beyond "push x really fast and beat bad guys up". 

Remember that Japanese commercial for the PS3 remake? Where it's nothing but the music of the game and people crying? Some games do fall under the same umbrella of art. Not all, but some. There is no difference in a good movie, song or game. 

Just because something has a story doesn't mean it's art.  Period.

EDIT: FFX SUCKS! Imho.

 

Guess what, self proclaimed "artists" don't get to decode what is and isn't art.

Many individual aspects of video games are considered art in themselves, so why can't an amalgamation of visual, audio, story/plot be considered art? Personally I'd even consider game mechanics themself an art.



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Zoombael on 23 October 2015

is this still going?

whatever...



Hunting Season is done...

Aura7541 on 23 October 2015

Go to 7:42 on the second video. All I have to say is whoops...



LivingMetal on 26 October 2015
MikeRox said:
LivingMetal said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
LivingMetal said:


As an artist, I respectfully disagree with you that video games fall under the umbrella of art.


If writing is an art form... if story telling... is an art form... then a video game based on story and writing is, art. I didn't play FFX because of it's twitch gameplay. I played it to find out what happened to Tidus. It moved me, and millions of other people emotionally far beyond "push x really fast and beat bad guys up". 

Remember that Japanese commercial for the PS3 remake? Where it's nothing but the music of the game and people crying? Some games do fall under the same umbrella of art. Not all, but some. There is no difference in a good movie, song or game. 

Just because something has a story doesn't mean it's art.  Period.

EDIT: FFX SUCKS! Imho.

 

Guess what, self proclaimed "artists" don't get to decode what is and isn't art.

Many individual aspects of video games are considered art in themselves, so why can't an amalgamation of visual, audio, story/plot be considered art? Personally I'd even consider game mechanics themself an art.


Did I decide for anyone?  No.  I expressed my opinion like anyone else.  But in fact, we agree as implied in part of my original post:

"As an artist, I respectfully disagree with you that video games fall under the umbrella of art, but I will say that video games can be employed as a medium for art."

The bold, underlined part was left out from what you were quoting. So now you know.