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bunchanumbers said:
Qwark said:


Why is everyone so sure that the NX is a godbox, history proved Nintendo didn't make a god system since the N64. After thst the PS2, Xbox 360, PS3 and now PS4 is the godbox for consolegamers. They would get a Nintendo system worth buying as a PRIMAIRY SYSTEM and Nintendo hasn't produced such hardware for gamers since the N64. For as far as I care Nintendo is still miles behind on third party support and online features, people who buy the NX as the Wii U (like me) blindly will prove that a few exclusives make blind. Nintendo has to prove that they can make a system which is compareable in both software diversity and hardware as the PS4, and honestly I don't see that happening.

Since I will not ever buy a Nintendo console on launch again, with playstation or an xbox however I know and I like what I get. A good performing piece of hardware which can play many games I like in the first way with practically no draughts after the first year and a giant library.


PS2 wasn't the god box. I believe it was actually the weakest of its generation. Even Dreamcast stood tall in many other aspects compared to PS2. The only thing that PS2 really had as far as hardware goes was DVD playback, and that was its biggest selling point.

You are right when you say the Ps2 wasn't very powerfull (GC and Xbox were much better, and yes even the Dreamcast in a couple of aspects), but not about DVD playback. Ps2 got popular for its games (and because it came out after the Ps1). DVDs became more popular thanks to the Ps2, not the contrary.



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bunchanumbers said:
Qwark said:


Why is everyone so sure that the NX is a godbox, history proved Nintendo didn't make a god system since the N64. After thst the PS2, Xbox 360, PS3 and now PS4 is the godbox for consolegamers. They would get a Nintendo system worth buying as a PRIMAIRY SYSTEM and Nintendo hasn't produced such hardware for gamers since the N64. For as far as I care Nintendo is still miles behind on third party support and online features, people who buy the NX as the Wii U (like me) blindly will prove that a few exclusives make blind. Nintendo has to prove that they can make a system which is compareable in both software diversity and hardware as the PS4, and honestly I don't see that happening.

Since I will not ever buy a Nintendo console on launch again, with playstation or an xbox however I know and I like what I get. A good performing piece of hardware which can play many games I like in the first way with practically no draughts after the first year and a giant library.


PS2 wasn't the god box. I believe it was actually the weakest of its generation. Even Dreamcast stood tall in many other aspects compared to PS2. The only thing that PS2 really had as far as hardware goes was DVD playback, and that was its biggest selling point.

The hardware itself no, but it's library on the other hand made up more than enough, with the debut of God of War, Jack and daxter, Ratchet and Clank, GTA 3, Vice City, San Andreas. But the PS2 was indeed the weakest but that's nothing if you compare the Wii to the PS3 or the Wii U tot the PS4. DVD playback did quite a lot for the PS2 and destroyed the potential for many third party games to release on gamecube since some freaking genius at Nintendo tought it would be wise to use minidiscs (moron). So even when the gamecube had sufficient hardware to run games the minidisc made sure it was pretty hard to port open world games in the first place.

With Nintendo's most recent consoles you kind a get neither sure each year there's one or two very good games, but in the meantime there are a lot of draughts and no third party games to fill those up. After that the hardware leaves much to be desired off and many develpers at Nintendo almost don't want to use the consoles full graphical potential (thedevs of mario kart 8, and the devs of mario galaxy 1/2 are an exception though). So there's more than enough reason to be sceptic of this new console.



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freebs2 said:
bunchanumbers said:


PS2 wasn't the god box. I believe it was actually the weakest of its generation. Even Dreamcast stood tall in many other aspects compared to PS2. The only thing that PS2 really had as far as hardware goes was DVD playback, and that was its biggest selling point.

You are right when you say the Ps2 wasn't very powerfull (GC and Xbox were much better, and yes even the Dreamcast in a couple of aspects), but not about DVD playback. Ps2 got popular for its games (and because it came out after the Ps1). DVDs became more popular thanks to the Ps2, not the contrary.

PS3 did the ame for blu ray movies in a way it sure did end the battle with HD DVD's, yet it never took really off like the PS3 itself which is a shame because it is a great format.



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True, Sony spent a lot and delayed the Ps3 because the hoped to repeat what the Ps2 did to DVDs again. Blu-rays are great and I'm still using them but the market now is all about streaming. I also love SACDs and DVD/blu-ray audio, but with mp3 they'll always a be a niche format.



Miyamotoo said:

NX is very likely coming next year, so in best case PS4 will have $300 price point than, and certainly PS5 will not come in 2017, more likely 2019-2020.

PS4 is more than likely coming out in 2018 btw...... NX will probably be 2017



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Just needs to be equivalent to the PS4 really. Nintendo don't need high specs for most of their games. Equivalent power and architecture would be great to win over AAA third parties like EA, Ubisoft, Activision etc etc.
Need to give those guys as easy a platform to port to.



bunchanumbers said:

PS2 wasn't the god box. I believe it was actually the weakest of its generation. Even Dreamcast stood tall in many other aspects compared to PS2. The only thing that PS2 really had as far as hardware goes was DVD playback, and that was its biggest selling point.


I think GTA was its biggest selling point. DVD is a close second. Maybe not so close.



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The i7 alone is more expensive than both the XB1 and the PS4 lol.

They only need to match the PS4, even on the architecture. Nintendo Make your console easy to develop for.



FunFan said:

I think GTA was its biggest selling point. DVD is a close second. Maybe not so close.


GTA was a far second behind DVDs. There were a lot of people who didn't even know the PS2 was a gaming system. I anecdotally know someone who thought playstation was a disk media brand until recently, with the "play" meaning to "press play" on a DVD player.

Especially with the PS2, I think people vastly underestimate how significant the DVD player was, or how similar its success was to the Wiis.



JWeinCom said:
midrange said:


If it's more powerful than the ps4, third parties will start there and work down to ps4/xbone, a plus for the NX. With Nintendo having full knowledge of their own hardware, they could probably whip up one or two blockbusters that can really take up marketshare from the ps4/xbox one, leading to more third party support. Finally, with proper marketing and a loss lead mentality, Nintendo can really make a come back for their image and regain people's fascination (this helps beyond gaming, like when trying to convince people to go to a Nintendo themed theme park, or buying Nintendo merchandise).

All of this assumes a heavy investment in power (not over the top pc setup, but noticeably better than the ps4/xbox one)


No, they won't.  Third parties are not going to start their work on an unproven system.  It's not worth putting in the extra effort unless they think the game will sell well on the NX.

Nintendo has not shown the ability to make blockbusters that will win over the types of gamers that the PS4 and XBox One sell to.  They're simply not great at creating shooters or cinematic action games. 

Nintendo regaining people's fascination doesn't require the system to be more powerful than the PS4.  The price will offset the benefit, unless they want to take a huge hit on their profits, and that probably wouldn't be a good idea.

The ps4 was unproven and people worked on it. The wii u was unproven and almost got zombiu aand rayman legends exclusively. The xbox was unproven and got titanfall exclusivity. Third parties will work on a console if it has promise, not if it has proven itself. Power is a good indicator of a future proof console due to its capabilities for future games

Remeber that a lot of the people that shifted to ps4 are from the wii crowd. In fact, sony admitted to targeting the wii audience. It's safe to say Nintendo can make games that can detract market share from it's competitors.

And yes, Nintendo does have the capability to make blockbuster games. It's a matter of will they invest money to do so.

If mario maker was bundled as a launch title, I gaurantee the wii u would at least double in sales. splatoon is a new ip and is selling itself on a poor console. The legend of zelda and metroid prime are excellent franchises to take a more darker approach to games.

Nintendo regaining people's fascination requires a multitude of things, but power is a safe bet (as is marketing, standard controller, and a solid lineup)