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zorg1000 on 22 October 2015
potato_hamster said:
Nintyfan90 said:
midrange said:


You're original post mentioned that your list would provide a consistent stream of new releases. I responded thinking that the "consistent stream" you talk about is laughable at best for third party games that span over 2 consoles.

If those are the TYPES of games that the NX has to rely on for third party, then the NX is in trouble. I'm not arguing that the list you gave was inferior to anything, I'm arguing that the NX needs a larger list with larger titles that are not limited to indie games or TV/movie to video game adaptations.

That list is literally missing an entire demographic (say age 13 and up), and it is also missing critical games for its target demographic (minecraft and rocket league)

I would use that list as an indicator that Nintendo needs to change something up or risk another wii u failure

I'll try to explain to you what he's saying. The point isn't to attract 3rd parties, the point is making it easier for Ninty to support. Ninty had done a pretty good job supporting the 3DS but it could obviously be better if they could shift the Wiius resources towards it as well. The healthy stream of games would come from Ninty alone. Any 3rd party support is just gravy, especially the Japanese 3rd party support Ninty receives. WiiU like failure is practically impossible with just Pokemon alone.

That's all fine and dandy for Nintendo to make a console that makes it easier for Nintendo to put Nintendo games on Nintendo consoles. The problem is that there are less and less and less people that are willing to buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games.

If Nintendo keeps serving their own, and not even bothering to try to have any type of appeal outside of diehard Nintendo fans that buy all of their stuff anywyas, they're doomed.

Not all Nintendo games appeal to the same people, the way u talk is as if all Nintendo fans are just one set group of people with the same opinions/tastes as one another, that's not how it works. If that were the case than all Nintendo games would share similar sales.

If Nintendo devices were only purchased by diehard Nintendo fans than why did Codename STEAM completely bomb, shouldn't it have been a multimillion seller? Why did Kirby Rainbow Curse, Mario Party 10 and Splatoon all have different levels of sales? They all released on Wii U in a 3 month span of time.

Ur whole, "only Nintendo fans buy Nintendo devices and Nintendo is doomed" spiel that u have been going on about since u signed up is getting tired and old. U keep talking about how Nintendo has been in constant decline every generation with the exception of Wii/DS when that is simply not true.

NES+Game & Watch=roughly 100 million hardware, 500 million software

SNES+GB (Apr 89-Mar 96)=roughly 100 million hardware, 500 million software

N64+GB (Apr 96-Mar 03)=roughly 100 million hardware, 500 million software

GC+GBA=roughly about 100 million hardware, 500 million software

Wii+DS=roughly about 250 million hardware, 1.8 billion software

Wii U+3DS (estimate)=roughly 80 million hardware, 400 million software

In Nintendo's first 4 generations they were pretty consistent, had a huge rise in their 5th generation then a retraction and decline in their 6th generation yet this somehow signifies a constant and ongoing decline.

Ur absolutely correct, this is proof of Nintendo being doomed, the fact that this is the most expensive generation with both devices having software droughts at points and with both having marketing issues that caused consumer confusion (people thinking they were revisions/add ons). There is absolutely no way Nintendo can prevent the decline from continuing even if they fix these issues and make improvements, nope Nintendo is destined to be doomed.



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bunchanumbers on 22 October 2015

I wonder if their first dev kit will really be a kit in a sense. Maybe they will just distribute it digitally to developers to use with PC. Would this mean that they are using the x86 architecture?



Werix357 on 22 October 2015
bunchanumbers said:
I wonder if their first dev kit will really be a kit in a sense. Maybe they will just distribute it digitally to developers to use with PC. Would this mean that they are using the x86 architecture?

I think x86 is an instruction set not an architecture, I'm no expert so my statement might be a little off.

edit: Oh and I think its entirely possible for Nintendo to have an emulation based devkit.



Frogger on 22 October 2015
Werix357 said:
I just hope Nintendo understands that adults rarely buy/want products aimed at children for themselves, but inversely products aimed at adults often appeal just as much to children.


Neither of those things are nessecaritly true at all.



playtime90 on 22 October 2015
Lawlight said:
bunchanumbers said:
Looks like Nintendo is back!

Back to?


Don't ask him hard question please.



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Miyamotoo on 22 October 2015
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:

Why people acting like Wii does not exist if it was just light in a bottle!?

Actually I think this two + form factors will more attractive for third party developers because in same time they can develop one game for handheld and home console and just one device. They will certainly not must to develop for more devices, they can develop just for device if they want. With all Nintendo plans regardless NX, NX will have much better third party support than Wii U (which frankly is not so difficult to achieve).


People act like the Wii didn't exist because it was an anomoly. Nintendo failed to carry any momentum for the Wii and its downward trend in sales continued as if the Wii never happened. There is no reason to expect the NX will enjoy Wii levels of success.

I don't know why you think they won't force developers to support every form factor if the games are supposed to be cross compatible. I thought the entire premise of this was "one cartridge - multiple consoles". If that isn't the case and the NX is two entirely seperate consoles with entirely seperate games that just so happen to have similar specs then that's fine and dandy - the cost of developing the NX wont be any different than developing for the Wii U.

However, what reason do you have to think that the NX will have "much better" third party support. I remember hearing very very similar statements about the Wii U vs the Wii. If the Wii proved anything, its that with few exceptions, third parties don't sell well on Nintendo consoles anymore, even if the console sales are over 100 million. What reason do you really have to think the NX will be any different unless the third party games are better on the NX than they will be on other consoles?

Anomaly or not Wii happend and it's legit home console. Sony also failed failed to carry any momentum for the PS3, but they learned their lessons and they release PS4. I think there is no person that is expecting Wii success for NX, but definitely will be much successful than Wii U is and probably more successful than N64.

Why they would force developers to support every form factor!? That would be counterproductive, many third parties would simply said I don't want do that. Not every game suits for handheld or that suits for home console, saying that Nintendo needs to make very attractive for developers to develop game for more factor, not to force them. Of Course Nintendo will use most of this platform, because whole point of is that they prevent software droughts, but you cant expect that 100% game will compatible with all devices, for instance some of home console games will use maximum power of hardware and it will not able to play on handheld, but there is no reason why every handheld game could not be played on home console.

First it will have much simpler hardware (ARM or x86) for developing and porting games than Wii U had, maybe very similar to Xbox One/PS4. Second, in same time third party can develop one game for handheld and home console, that will be very attractive for lotsa third parties espacily Japanese. Third, Nintendo now has much better communication and better devs kit than they had when Wii U was launch, just look how they now treating Indies, with NX that will be case from the start. Fourth, NX will have better sales that Wii U because Nintendo will not repeat same mistakes, like terrible name, terrible and confusing marketing, bad launch lineup, high price...also Wii U had solid third party support at launch but after terrible sales all abandon them in first year. Wii U prove NIntendo that they cant suport console alone and they will do whats nessary to make NX very attractive for third party. NX will have much better third party support than Wii U, but reality is that Wii U doesn't have third party at all.

I thought that was the entire concept of the unified platform - One game, multiple devices. If a parent goes and buys a cartridge for their NX Home and it only works in the NX handheld even though the cartridges look exactly the same, there will be massive confusion worse than naming a brand new console "Wii U". If the cartridges are different then parents will have to buy mutliple copies for all of their devices, and it would be the no different than the 3DS or Wii U is now - except for the cost to develop for both NX home and NX handheld would be marginally smaller.

If nintendo is going to market the NX as the same console in different form factors all games have to work for all form factors, otherwise you are looking at an enormous disaster.

Off course, that is part of a concept, we can still assume but I think that will be case of one same game for multiple devices, but that doesnt mean that every game will work on multiple devices, probably very small number of games will work only for home console. I think 80-90% of Nintendo games will work on multiple devices.

Even if cartridges will be completely different (which I really doubt) for NX home and NX handheld consoles, how exactly that can be worse confusion than people thinking that Wii U a completely new console, is a addon for Wii console that was already dead and nobody wanted!? In this cartridge situation people can just return they cartridge and replace it, but in Wii U situation people did not consider at all buying Wii U because of confusion, that had huge impact on terrible Wii U sales.

I dont think Nintendo will market NX as same console because it not same consoles, handheld and home console cant be same. They will probably market NX like platform of home and handheld consoles that will have heavy integration, and that can share majority of same games and features.



Miyamotoo on 22 October 2015
Moonhero said:
So... If this is around the power of the other two, I feel launch is going to look so sad. 2-3 Nintendo titles, 1-3 3rd party titles made just for the NX, and 10+ ports that will sell poorly. Been there, done that.

Lol, that's exactly what PS4 and Xbox One has for their launches, just in NX case Nintendo will probably have already own heavy hitters (things that Wii U didnt had) like 3D Mario and Zelda U port.



Aeolus451 on 22 October 2015
Miyamotoo said:
Moonhero said:
So... If this is around the power of the other two, I feel launch is going to look so sad. 2-3 Nintendo titles, 1-3 3rd party titles made just for the NX, and 10+ ports that will sell poorly. Been there, done that.

Lol, that's exactly what PS4 and Xbox One has for their launches, just in NX case Nintendo will probably have already own heavy hitters (things that Wii U didnt had) like 3D Mario and Zelda U port.

I think the amount of it's launch games won't really matter.

I'll play along with this. If all 3 consoles makers release a console with 2 to 3 first party games and 1 to 3 third party games with 10 plus ports but....

On one console, those games consist primarily of games that are designed for ki.....opps I meant everyone as in E for Everyone and maybe a handful of non-nintendo like games

With the other consoles, their games focus on the much larger gamer demographics. 

My point is that I believe that NX's launch will probably be less than ok if it's launch is in 2016, has a lack of 3rd party surpport and because of the type of games that will probably launch with it. 



Miyamotoo on 22 October 2015
Aeolus451 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Lol, that's exactly what PS4 and Xbox One has for their launches, just in NX case Nintendo will probably have already own heavy hitters (things that Wii U didnt had) like 3D Mario and Zelda U port.

I think the amount of it's launch games won't really matter.

I'll play along with this. If all 3 consoles makers release a console with 2 to 3 first party games and 1 to 3 third party games with 10 plus ports but....

On one console, those games consist primarily of games that are designed for ki.....opps I meant everyone as in E for Everyone and maybe a handful of non-nintendo like games

With the other consoles, their games focus on the much larger gamer demographics. 

My point is that I believe that NX's launch will probably be less than ok if it's launch is in 2016, has a lack of 3rd party surpport and because of the type of games that will probably launch with it. 

Nintendo will prepare few heavy hitters for NX launch in 2016. that's certain, 3rd party have enuf time to make ports PS4/Xbox One games. So why you think NX will be less than ok launch if its in 2016?



Aeolus451 on 22 October 2015
Miyamotoo said:
Aeolus451 said:

I think the amount of it's launch games won't really matter.

I'll play along with this. If all 3 consoles makers release a console with 2 to 3 first party games and 1 to 3 third party games with 10 plus ports but....

On one console, those games consist primarily of games that are designed for ki.....opps I meant everyone as in E for Everyone and maybe a handful of non-nintendo like games

With the other consoles, their games focus on the much larger gamer demographics. 

My point is that I believe that NX's launch will probably be less than ok if it's launch is in 2016, has a lack of 3rd party surpport and because of the type of games that will probably launch with it. 

Nintendo will prepare few heavy hitters for NX launch in 2016. that's certain, 3rd party have enuf time to make ports PS4/Xbox One games. So why you think NX will be less than ok launch if its in 2016?

Well, it's earlier than when they would normally release a home console. Nintendo almost follows this schedule with their hardware and from I understand they've haven't launched a home console that early before. I don't think nintendo wants to set the precedent that they will prematurely drop support on a home console when it's not doing as well as they want. The purchase of a home console is an investment that you will get your share fair of entertainment. That's roughly a sort of trust between a consumer and product's value. I'll buy this console and I get X amount of games to play this gen or for the console's lifespan. Dropping support early undermines that investment and consumers will probably see nintendo's devices as worthwhile to purchase.

The main reason reason why launching in 2016 is a dumb idea for nintendo is that it's a stacked year for the PS4 and the xbox one. Does nintendo really want to release a home console in that year when the best part of the gen in terms of games is in full swing? It's no different than a guy trying to pick up women at a sausage fest and he forgot to put on deodorant that morning.

Nintendo could easily just hold off, make a good bit of profit on software (by keep making games for wii u) and let this gen run it's course til the normal launch time for a nintendo home console.

What happens if nintendo launches NX in 2016 and it bombs in hardware sales?