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zorg1000 said:
midrange said:

My bad, I was so invested in The GOTY: Kung Fu Panda: Showdown of Legendary Legends that I assumed everything else was bad

Ur right, nobody should invest in games made for kids, the gaming market should be exclusively for 13-30 year old males. Plus I like that u guys singled out those games and ignored fun/quality titles like Etrian Mystery Dungeon, Citizens of Earth, Affordable Space Adventures, Freedom Planet, Legend of Legacy, Story of Seasons.


Ok then let me list the absence of no man's sky, rocket league, and minecraft.

Just those 3 indie age appropriate games are enough to make this list seem laughable. This isn't me showing off the lack of mature titles, this is me showing off the lack of quality titles.

Typically when you make a list, you try to include only the best. It seems like you just copied and pasted everything that will be coming to both systems, regardless of quality.

Adventure time: Finn & Jake investigations, A-Train: city simulator, Garfield kart .......... really?

And yea, there are a couple of decent indies here and there, but they are too far, too small, and too few in between even if this list list was for just one console



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potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:


Those games are divided among 2 separate devices so no Wii U is not flying off of shelves because of them because it only has a fraction of them. That's ONE of the major problems for Wii U & 3DS, they each have holes in their lineups that cause droughts and are missing key games found on the other. They have other issues that need to be addressed as well.

But like always, Nintendo's 1st/2nd party titles will be the main attraction, and no that does not simply mean more of the same since Wii U does not get a lot of the titles 3DS gets like Kid Icarus, Pokémon, Tomodachi Life, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, etc and 3DS does not get a lot of the Wii U titles like Pikmin, Splatoon, Mario Maker. Nintendo is shooting themselves in the foot by not offering all their games on both devices, it's hurts software sales by having games exclusive to only a percentage of their audience and it hurts hardware sales because each individual device has a less appealing lineup they potentially could.

Then u also have the added benefit of less redundant titles, Mario Kart team no longer needs to release 2 separate Mario Kart titles for 2 separate platforms, they can make 1 and support it with DLC then move onto a new IP. Nintendo has a lot of success when they invest heavily in new IP/new ideas something they haven't been able to do a lot of this generation due to having to make entries of all their big franchises twice. We have seen some successes like Tomodachi & Splatoon but they are too few and far between along with being too little, too late in Wii U's case.

3rd parties are and always have been supplementary to Nintendo's own offerings even on their massively popular devices like NES/GB/DS/Wii. People talk about games like Mega Man, CastleVania, Contra, Ninja Gaiden as important titles for NES but the only 3rd party games to sell over 2 million on NES were Ninja Turtles and Dragon Quest, they are also the only 3rd party titles to crack the top 20 for NES. If u look at GB/DS/Wii software sales then u will see a very similar situation where the majority of big sellers and top games are Nintendo IP. 3rd parties are primarily support titles when it comes to Nintendo, it's always been this way and always will be.

So yes these are the type of 3rd party games Nintendo needs, niche Japanese titles, kid/family friendly titles, unique indie titles, games that appeal to the audience of people who enjoy Nintendo's offerings. Something like GTA doesn't help Nintendo because the type of people who like that game don't have a strong interest in the type of games Nintendo offers and the type of people who enjoy the games Nintendo offers typically don't like games such as GTA & Co.

Honest question: Do you think the NX platform as a whole will sell more or less than than the Wii U and 3DS combined?

That ultimately comes down to execution and not making a plethora of mistakes like they did with 3DS/Wii U. Unified software library fixes some problems that 3DS/Wii U faced but it alone does not fix all their problems. Things like pricing, marketing/advertising, system features among other things need to be addressed as well.

I do believe NX has potential to sell better than 3DS+Wii U if they have strong execution but at the same time it has potential to sell worse than 3DS+Wii U if they make the same mistakes or create new ones.



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zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

Honest question: Do you think the NX platform as a whole will sell more or less than than the Wii U and 3DS combined?

That ultimately comes down to execution and not making a plethora of mistakes like they did with 3DS/Wii U. Unified software library fixes some problems that 3DS/Wii U faced but it alone does not fix all their problems. Things like pricing, marketing/advertising, system features among other things need to be addressed as well.

I do believe NX has potential to sell better than 3DS+Wii U if they have strong execution but at the same time it has potential to sell worse than 3DS+Wii U if they make the same mistakes or create new ones.


Fair answer. Well said.



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potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:

Why people acting like Wii does not exist if it was just light in a bottle!?

Actually I think this two + form factors will more attractive for third party developers because in same time they can develop one game for handheld and home console and just one device. They will certainly not must to develop for more devices, they can develop just for device if they want. With all Nintendo plans regardless NX, NX will have much better third party support than Wii U (which frankly is not so difficult to achieve).


People act like the Wii didn't exist because it was an anomoly. Nintendo failed to carry any momentum for the Wii and its downward trend in sales continued as if the Wii never happened. There is no reason to expect the NX will enjoy Wii levels of success.

I don't know why you think they won't force developers to support every form factor if the games are supposed to be cross compatible. I thought the entire premise of this was "one cartridge - multiple consoles". If that isn't the case and the NX is two entirely seperate consoles with entirely seperate games that just so happen to have similar specs then that's fine and dandy - the cost of developing the NX wont be any different than developing for the Wii U.

However, what reason do you have to think that the NX will have "much better" third party support. I remember hearing very very similar statements about the Wii U vs the Wii. If the Wii proved anything, its that with few exceptions, third parties don't sell well on Nintendo consoles anymore, even if the console sales are over 100 million. What reason do you really have to think the NX will be any different unless the third party games are better on the NX than they will be on other consoles?

Anomaly or not Wii happend and it's legit home console. Sony also failed failed to carry any momentum for the PS3, but they learned their lessons and they release PS4. I think there is no person that is expecting Wii success for NX, but definitely will be much successful than Wii U is and probably more successful than N64.

Why they would force developers to support every form factor!? That would be counterproductive, many third parties would simply said I don't want do that. Not every game suits for handheld or that suits for home console, saying that Nintendo needs to make very attractive for developers to develop game for more factor, not to force them. Of Course Nintendo will use most of this platform, because whole point of is that they prevent software droughts, but you cant expect that 100% game will compatible with all devices, for instance some of home console games will use maximum power of hardware and it will not able to play on handheld, but there is no reason why every handheld game could not be played on home console.

First it will have much simpler hardware (ARM or x86) for developing and porting games than Wii U had, maybe very similar to Xbox One/PS4. Second, in same time third party can develop one game for handheld and home console, that will be very attractive for lotsa third parties espacily Japanese. Third, Nintendo now has much better communication and better devs kit than they had when Wii U was launch, just look how they now treating Indies, with NX that will be case from the start. Fourth, NX will have better sales that Wii U because Nintendo will not repeat same mistakes, like terrible name, terrible and confusing marketing, bad launch lineup, high price...also Wii U had solid third party support at launch but after terrible sales all abandon them in first year. Wii U prove NIntendo that they cant suport console alone and they will do whats nessary to make NX very attractive for third party. NX will have much better third party support than Wii U, but reality is that Wii U doesn't have third party at all.



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midrange said:
zorg1000 said:

Ur right, nobody should invest in games made for kids, the gaming market should be exclusively for 13-30 year old males. Plus I like that u guys singled out those games and ignored fun/quality titles like Etrian Mystery Dungeon, Citizens of Earth, Affordable Space Adventures, Freedom Planet, Legend of Legacy, Story of Seasons.


Ok then let me list the absence of no man's sky, rocket league, and minecraft.

Just those 3 indie age appropriate games are enough to make this list seem laughable. This isn't me showing off the lack of mature titles, this is me showing off the lack of quality titles.

Typically when you make a list, you try to include only the best. It seems like you just copied and pasted everything that will be coming to both systems, regardless of quality.

Adventure time: Finn & Jake investigations, A-Train: city simulator, Garfield kart .......... really?

And yea, there are a couple of decent indies here and there, but they are too far, too small, and too few in between even if this list list was for just one console

I never said this was the be all, end all of 3rd party titles, I know Nintendo is missing key titles that could sell well to their audience, I think games like Rocket League or Minecraft would be great additions to Nintendo devices.

A-Train is a series that is 30 years old and has over a dozen entries spanning over a dozen platforms, it's obviously seen as fun and quality to its target demographic which brings me to games based on kids movies/shows. They are aimed directly at children, not games that are suitable for children but aimed at everyone like Minecraft or Mario Kart, games made for the sole purpose of appealing to children. People like u or me do not find them to be fun or quality titles but as long as the target demographic (children) does than that's all that matters.

If u go back to my original post u would see its about the TYPE of games to expect to appear on NX, which is Japanese titles, kid/family friendly titles and indie titles, I simply used the 3DS/Wii U 2015 lineup to show the TYPE of games that Nintendo gets supported with, it wasn't an attempt to show Nintendo's 3rd party support is superior to others.



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Werix357 said:
I think its pretty clear that Nintendo intend to use SoC from AMD for both their next handheld and home systems the only uncertain thing I believe is wether it be the ZEN or K12 architectures.

Zen or k12 would fulfill the "industry leading chips" report for sure.  Nintendo seems to have great pride in low power consuming products and these chips are far more efficient in per/watt performance.

There is still plenty of time left this gen (about halfway through in '16) so if at least one of the NX products matches/exceeds the level of the current consoles, it would serve Nintendo better in securing some 3rd party titles.  It  definitely seems better than the wii u situation, which launched way too late.  Depending on what Nintendo puts on the market, the mid-gen approach has great potential as to what keeps the industry on its toes and devs pleased.



kitler53 said:
if they are just beginning to distribute dev kits and actually launch next year then shitty 3rd party support is already confirmed. less than a year to ready your games is not enough.


If the NX was to use similar architecture to the Xbox One and PS4, then 3rd party games currently in developement for those systems would be an easy port.  If the NX was to be much faster than the PS4, then 1080p 60fps would be easy possibly making the NX ports the best console version of the games.  At this point no one knows.

As for me, I have an Alienware Alpha in my family room hooked up to the big screen, so I'm already enjoying 1080p 60+fps on most multi-plat games.



Stop hating and start playing.

Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:

Why people acting like Wii does not exist if it was just light in a bottle!?

Actually I think this two + form factors will more attractive for third party developers because in same time they can develop one game for handheld and home console and just one device. They will certainly not must to develop for more devices, they can develop just for device if they want. With all Nintendo plans regardless NX, NX will have much better third party support than Wii U (which frankly is not so difficult to achieve).


People act like the Wii didn't exist because it was an anomoly. Nintendo failed to carry any momentum for the Wii and its downward trend in sales continued as if the Wii never happened. There is no reason to expect the NX will enjoy Wii levels of success.

I don't know why you think they won't force developers to support every form factor if the games are supposed to be cross compatible. I thought the entire premise of this was "one cartridge - multiple consoles". If that isn't the case and the NX is two entirely seperate consoles with entirely seperate games that just so happen to have similar specs then that's fine and dandy - the cost of developing the NX wont be any different than developing for the Wii U.

However, what reason do you have to think that the NX will have "much better" third party support. I remember hearing very very similar statements about the Wii U vs the Wii. If the Wii proved anything, its that with few exceptions, third parties don't sell well on Nintendo consoles anymore, even if the console sales are over 100 million. What reason do you really have to think the NX will be any different unless the third party games are better on the NX than they will be on other consoles?

Anomaly or not Wii happend and it's legit home console. Sony also failed failed to carry any momentum for the PS3, but they learned their lessons and they release PS4. I think there is no person that is expecting Wii success for NX, but definitely will be much successful than Wii U is and probably more successful than N64.

Why they would force developers to support every form factor!? That would be counterproductive, many third parties would simply said I don't want do that. Not every game suits for handheld or that suits for home console, saying that Nintendo needs to make very attractive for developers to develop game for more factor, not to force them. Of Course Nintendo will use most of this platform, because whole point of is that they prevent software droughts, but you cant expect that 100% game will compatible with all devices, for instance some of home console games will use maximum power of hardware and it will not able to play on handheld, but there is no reason why every handheld game could not be played on home console.

First it will have much simpler hardware (ARM or x86) for developing and porting games than Wii U had, maybe very similar to Xbox One/PS4. Second, in same time third party can develop one game for handheld and home console, that will be very attractive for lotsa third parties espacily Japanese. Third, Nintendo now has much better communication and better devs kit than they had when Wii U was launch, just look how they now treating Indies, with NX that will be case from the start. Fourth, NX will have better sales that Wii U because Nintendo will not repeat same mistakes, like terrible name, terrible and confusing marketing, bad launch lineup, high price...also Wii U had solid third party support at launch but after terrible sales all abandon them in first year. Wii U prove NIntendo that they cant suport console alone and they will do whats nessary to make NX very attractive for third party. NX will have much better third party support than Wii U, but reality is that Wii U doesn't have third party at all.

I thought that was the entire concept of the unified platform - One game, multiple devices. If a parent goes and buys a cartridge for their NX Home and it only works in the NX handheld even though the cartridges look exactly the same, there will be massive confusion worse than naming a brand new console "Wii U". If the cartridges are different then parents will have to buy mutliple copies for all of their devices, and it would be the no different than the 3DS or Wii U is now - except for the cost to develop for both NX home and NX handheld would be marginally smaller.

If nintendo is going to market the NX as the same console in different form factors all games have to work for all form factors, otherwise you are looking at an enormous disaster.



BuckStud said:
kitler53 said:
if they are just beginning to distribute dev kits and actually launch next year then shitty 3rd party support is already confirmed. less than a year to ready your games is not enough.


If the NX was to use similar architecture to the Xbox One and PS4, then 3rd party games currently in developement for those systems would be an easy port.  If the NX was to be much faster than the PS4, then 1080p 60fps would be easy possibly making the NX ports the best console version of the games.  At this point no one knows.

As for me, I have an Alienware Alpha in my family room hooked up to the big screen, so I'm already enjoying 1080p 60+fps on most multi-plat games.


Wow you're one of the few people that thinks the Steam Box is actually a good idea. You could have built your own for cheaper, it would have been easier to upgrade, and you wouldn't be hampered by an OS with a severely limited library. What exactly is the appeal for you? Did you buy an Ouya as well?