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Pavolink on 07 October 2015
spemanig said:

No, it's gonna be like ALBW, if not less structured. You'll be dropped in the overworld, be told the basic goal and drama of the game, and then you'll be prompted to find the dungeons yourself. I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't even give you the courtesy of an X on the map. Instead, you'll have to find the dungeons yourself though exploring the world yourself, just like in Zelda 1. And you'll get lost, and you'll and you'll wonder what to do, and you'll wonder where to go, just like Aonuma said he wants. And then, like in ALBW, once you're in, near, or at the end of a dungeon, it'll feed you the plot at those points so it can remain completely non-linear. And since it'll be like ALBW, which Aonuma specifically said, there will be no stupid hour long set up for some stupid premise no one cares about and will let you start actually really playing the game minutes after you first boot it up once you get the jist of the call to action.

I can only wish. That will restore my faith in Aonuma and his team. Now I want Zelda HD to be like this. Add in there a better upgrade system than in Skyward Sword and a fast combat system like The Wind Waker.



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Frogger on 07 October 2015
SJReiter said:

So here's the issue: Aonuma is not being as specific as I believe you think (want?) him to be. When he says that they are "rethinking the conventions of Zelda," that does not implicitly mean that Zelda Wii U is going to be a modern version of Zelda NES. Aonuma is being purposefully vague here, as is to be expected. These types of statements lead to rampant debate and speculation as evidenced in this thread. The reason why I believe there will still be significant narrative structure to guide the player as seen in previous Zeldas is because I believe it to be common sense. I do not believe they would simply throw to the wayside nearly two decades of tried and true formulas for this new entry. Having said that, I agree with you that Zelda Wii U will likely be the most unique entry we've seen since maybe Majora's Mask. It will certainly be nothing like Skyward Sword or Twilight Princess. There will be significantly less hand holding (no Navi or Fi character) but it would be unwise to believe that all guidance and direction will be lost. Yes, it will be possible to get lost in this game (something not really possible in any previous Zelda. But I believe that, if you choose, you can avoid getting lost. Even if it's simple guidance such as an NPC telling you to "go East," there will be some sort of guidance. 

In addition, one thing that I think is worth mentioning is that I believe it is possible for a game to feature dungeons that can be completed in any order while still maintaining a linear structure. Those two things are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

As an aside, I think it's unfortunate that you have to imply that I lack intelligence because I interpret quotes differently from you. I actually very much value your opinion on this site, and usually am always curious to know what you think with regards to various topics, but it's really too bad that you sometimes resort to those types of tactics when debating an interesting topic. I would advise that you take the advise found in your sig and apply that to same line of thinking to the posts of others on this site. Sorry for the diatribe, but I needed to get that out. 


He's not being vague at all. He said what he wants, and then he made ALBW doing what he wants. ALBW is the closest Zelda game to Zelda NES since Zelda NES, so I don't see the debate. You don't believe he will throw decades of formula out the window, but he literally said that's what he was going to do, specifically referencing linearity, guided structure, and the "opaqueness" of Zelda NES.

I think the most you'll get is an opt in guidance tool like the Hint Goggles in ALBW. That's it. But that's already in ALBW. And that's already in Zelda NES with those NPCs. So the idea that that kind of bare bones guidance is something that is only found in the 3D games is out there. But it will be nothing more than that.

They are 100% mutually exclusive. Linear literally means to do things in a set order. You can't complete dungeons in any order with a stucture that is in a set order. That doesn't make sense.

Yeah, I'm sorry. That was crass of me. Won't happen again.



Frogger on 07 October 2015
Pavolink said:

I can only wish. That will restore my faith in Aonuma and his team. Now I want Zelda HD to be like this. Add in there a better upgrade system than in Skyward Sword and a fast combat system like The Wind Waker.


I want all of that, and voice acting. But I unfortunately don't think Nintendo will do it. Which will seriously hurt my enjoyment of the game.



bigtakilla on 07 October 2015
Pavolink said:
spemanig said:

No, it's gonna be like ALBW, if not less structured. You'll be dropped in the overworld, be told the basic goal and drama of the game, and then you'll be prompted to find the dungeons yourself. I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't even give you the courtesy of an X on the map. Instead, you'll have to find the dungeons yourself though exploring the world yourself, just like in Zelda 1. And you'll get lost, and you'll and you'll wonder what to do, and you'll wonder where to go, just like Aonuma said he wants. And then, like in ALBW, once you're in, near, or at the end of a dungeon, it'll feed you the plot at those points so it can remain completely non-linear. And since it'll be like ALBW, which Aonuma specifically said, there will be no stupid hour long set up for some stupid premise no one cares about and will let you start actually really playing the game minutes after you first boot it up once you get the jist of the call to action.

I can only wish. That will restore my faith in Aonuma and his team. Now I want Zelda HD to be like this. Add in there a better upgrade system than in Skyward Sword and a fast combat system like The Wind Waker.


It's kind of funny when you think about it. To restore your faith in Aonuma, you want him to be more like Miyamoto. Lol.



Frogger on 07 October 2015
bigtakilla said:

It's kind of funny when you think about it. To restore your faith in Aonuma, you want him to be more like Miyamoto. Lol.


That's nothing like Miyamoto. Miyamoto is responsible for Star Foz Zero, and more relevantly, he's responsible for OoT, which was the true start of linear Zelda.



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bigtakilla on 07 October 2015
spemanig said:
bigtakilla said:

It's kind of funny when you think about it. To restore your faith in Aonuma, you want him to be more like Miyamoto. Lol.


That's nothing like Miyamoto. Miyamoto is responsible for Star Foz Zero, and more relevantly, he's responsible for OoT, which was the true start of linear Zelda.


Yes, but he was also the only one who really created the non-linear LoZ titles. 



Frogger on 07 October 2015
bigtakilla said:

Yes, but he was also the only one who really created the non-linear LoZ titles. 


Yeah, before he succeeded them with linearity.



Pavolink on 07 October 2015
bigtakilla said:
Pavolink said:
spemanig said:

No, it's gonna be like ALBW, if not less structured. You'll be dropped in the overworld, be told the basic goal and drama of the game, and then you'll be prompted to find the dungeons yourself. I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't even give you the courtesy of an X on the map. Instead, you'll have to find the dungeons yourself though exploring the world yourself, just like in Zelda 1. And you'll get lost, and you'll and you'll wonder what to do, and you'll wonder where to go, just like Aonuma said he wants. And then, like in ALBW, once you're in, near, or at the end of a dungeon, it'll feed you the plot at those points so it can remain completely non-linear. And since it'll be like ALBW, which Aonuma specifically said, there will be no stupid hour long set up for some stupid premise no one cares about and will let you start actually really playing the game minutes after you first boot it up once you get the jist of the call to action.

I can only wish. That will restore my faith in Aonuma and his team. Now I want Zelda HD to be like this. Add in there a better upgrade system than in Skyward Sword and a fast combat system like The Wind Waker.


It's kind of funny when you think about it. To restore your faith in Aonuma, you want him to be more like Miyamoto. Lol.

Nice catch. As far as I remember, Zelda NES and Zelda II is the Miyamoto's original vision. Exploring and all that, the sense of discovery.



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DKCTF didn't move consoles

Prediction: No Zelda HD for Wii U, quietly moved to the succesor

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bigtakilla on 07 October 2015
spemanig said:
bigtakilla said:

Yes, but he was also the only one who really created the non-linear LoZ titles. 


Yeah, before he succeeded them with linearity.


He gave the people of that time what they wanted, a more engaging story.



bigtakilla on 07 October 2015
Pavolink said:
bigtakilla said:
Pavolink said:
spemanig said:

No, it's gonna be like ALBW, if not less structured. You'll be dropped in the overworld, be told the basic goal and drama of the game, and then you'll be prompted to find the dungeons yourself. I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't even give you the courtesy of an X on the map. Instead, you'll have to find the dungeons yourself though exploring the world yourself, just like in Zelda 1. And you'll get lost, and you'll and you'll wonder what to do, and you'll wonder where to go, just like Aonuma said he wants. And then, like in ALBW, once you're in, near, or at the end of a dungeon, it'll feed you the plot at those points so it can remain completely non-linear. And since it'll be like ALBW, which Aonuma specifically said, there will be no stupid hour long set up for some stupid premise no one cares about and will let you start actually really playing the game minutes after you first boot it up once you get the jist of the call to action.

I can only wish. That will restore my faith in Aonuma and his team. Now I want Zelda HD to be like this. Add in there a better upgrade system than in Skyward Sword and a fast combat system like The Wind Waker.


It's kind of funny when you think about it. To restore your faith in Aonuma, you want him to be more like Miyamoto. Lol.

Nice catch. As far as I remember, Zelda NES and Zelda II is the Miyamoto's original vision. Exploring and all that, the sense of discovery.


A Link To The Past's dungeons can also be beat out of order for the most part.