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o_O.Q on 01 October 2015
Lawlight said:
MohammadBadir said:
I'm sure the majority would go back if, you know, Syria gets fixed >.<


No, they won't.

He's right on this matter. Muslims cannot integrate in a democratic, secular country. The majority of them think that Sharia law is above the constitution.


well perhaps if that is the case you shouldn't go bombing their homes so that they have no choice but to leave them?

oh but i'm forgetting that the intention was to bomb people to save them... lol how people can buy this bullshit i'm neevr able to understand



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SuperNova on 01 October 2015
contestgamer said:
SuperNova said:
Seeing that the US actually doesn't really take in any refugees from Syria, while at the same time we currently have approximately 30.000 Syrian refugees in my city alone with literally hundreds more arriving every day, I feel qualified to say: Shut the fuck up Donald Trump! You might not be the uneducated moron you pretend to be but in this case you have no Idea what you're talking about.

Don't you fucking dare to make comments about refugees from a three way civil war, that for the most part are well educated, polite people that have to sleep in the streets without water, food or access to sanitary facilities, because our emergency make-shift refugee camps are collapsing under the load of people arriving.
I see these people almost every day and If we all stopped being so goddamn selfish for a second and actually tried to talk to them, forge a connection, hear their stories and help out instead of condemming them as lesser human beings because of their skin color, economical status, religion or what have you, integration might work better than it currently does.

And while it might be true that people gravitate to Germany more than other european countrys, the explanation of: 'Oh well, they don't have shit in their country so they come here to try and steal ours now!' is short sighted and mean-spirited.
The fact is, that most people actually like their homes. They identify with the culture they grew up in and try to achieve the best within the possibilities that they have. Most refugees from across the meditaranian see are actually better situated people for the stamdarts of their country. They are middle to upper middle class. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to pay the human traffikers fees in the first place. It's only after this first wave of refugees settle in and starts to have a steady income that lower income immigrants start coming with the money that first wave immigrants send them back. None of this changes the fact that most people would rather stay in their home country.
If you were a well educated upper middleclass ingeneur with a family that had to flee their home, would you rather go to Germany or Croatia? They don't come to leach of german wellfare, but of course they want perspectives, rebuild their lives.

But then theres also the fact that Germany actually takes refugees in, while many other european countries out right refuse to take them.


Refugees need to stay in refugee camps in Turkey/Jordan etc. We shouldnt have to worry about these people because they are not citizens of our country, so we should have absolutely no responsibility for them regardless of how bad ttheir situation is. Not our problem and we shouldnt make it so.


And why should Turkey/Jordan/Egypt etc shoulder the burden of millions of refugees alone? What have they done, other than being located next to Syria? Why are they resposible?

And for how long is it ok for the refugees to stay in giant Tent camps, with no decernable perspective of having a normal life again? A few months? A couple of years? A decade? Until they know nothing else but the ghetto they grew up in?

The utter lack of sypathy for human tradegy and the reality of the situation displayed in your post is franky appalling.

I bet if war broke out in your country due to your entire region being destabilized by forces outside of your control. Forces that were out for nothing other than that sweet sweet oil/random valuable I might add. You would be trying to survive. You would be asking for help. And you would probably be infuriated by a statement like the one you just made.



outlawauron on 01 October 2015
kitler53 said:
so he's just flat out lying to say all Syrian refugees are men now?

sending them back is basically a death sentence. trump, you're a real asshole.

It's pretty fair to say that the vast majority of refugees coming in are men.



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contestgamer on 01 October 2015
SuperNova said:
contestgamer said:


Refugees need to stay in refugee camps in Turkey/Jordan etc. We shouldnt have to worry about these people because they are not citizens of our country, so we should have absolutely no responsibility for them regardless of how bad ttheir situation is. Not our problem and we shouldnt make it so.


And why should Turkey/Jordan/Egypt etc shoulder the burden of millions of refugees alone? What have they done, other than being located next to Syria? Why are they resposible?

And for how long is it ok for the refugees to stay in giant Tent camps, with no decernable perspective of having a normal life again? A few months? A couple of years? A decade? Until they know nothing else but the ghetto they grew up in?

The utter lack of sypathy for human tradegy and the reality of the situation displayed in your post is franky appalling.

I bet if war broke out in your country due to your entire region being destabilized by forces outside of your control. Forces that were out for nothing other than that sweet sweet oil/random valuable I might add. You would be trying to survive. You would be asking for help. And you would probably be infuriated by a statement like the one you just made.


They'll remain in the camps as long as they have to. Better than going back to Syria right? Countries are meant for their own people. As unfortunate as the refugee crisis is, it's not something that should be a concern to our countries. A countries concern should always be its own citizens - that's the point of living in a country.  Our western countries werent built in one day and without blood and sacrifice. These young male refugees instread of running should be fighting for their country. Sympathy shouldnt dictate policy, pure national interest should only.



contestgamer on 01 October 2015
zero129 said:
contestgamer said:
Finally someone telling it like it is. Just because you were born in a hell hole doesn't give you the right to a betteer life in MY country or anyone elses. Live with the card you were dealt with and maybe if you're lucky and attempt to immigrate the normal, long way (and not by trying to claim yourself a refugee and bypass the system) you'll get lucky and gain citizenship in time. But regardless of what kind of horrible hell hole you're from, we Americans are not responsible for your life and well being. We should only be responsible for our own - that's the purpose of a country.

Well many people would claim that the USA had alot got to do with with Syria's problems today.

So in a since if you make another persons life hell then shouldnt you be responible??


They made their own lives hell. The U.S may have destabalized the region, but there wasn't much there beside dictatorships and opressive societies to begin with. 



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Proxy-Pie on 01 October 2015

"Pan Arabism/Islam is bullshit!"
"Why are Arab/Islamic countries not taking in Arab/Muslim refugees?"



NightDragon83 on 01 October 2015
JWeinCom said:
NightDragon83 said:
RenCutypoison said:
NightDragon83 said:

For all of Trump's grandstanding and hyperbole, he's not that far off with some of his comments.  A good chunk of the "refugees" currently flooding into Europe from northern Africa and the ME are no more political / war refugees than they are economic migrants, not unlike the hundreds of thousands that pour into the US via the southern border every year, that are simply looking to take advantage of the generous benefits certain countries are willing to hand out to them.

This meme explains the whole Syrian "refugee crisis" in a nutshell...

Does this meme take in account the fact more than 90% of the syrian go to the countries next to syria and not the rest of the world ?

Wow, you mean all those Syrians go directly next door before they go anywhere else?  No kidding!

The point of the meme was that despite being relatively safe in neighboring countries like Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan etc. as compared to their war ravaged homeland, many Syrian "refugees" (I put that in quotes because there are plenty of other migrants that are part of the waves traveling to Europe that aren't of Syrian origin) choose to advance onward to Europe, specifically Germany for obvious reasons, rather than stick things out at their neighbors' places... who  aren't exactly welcoming their Syrian brethren in with open arms i might add.

And that graphic you posted is even more interesting because of all the big fat zeroes over the Arab states in the Gulf region.  Explain why Europe, the US, or anyone else for that matter should take in a single refugee when none of those states, some of whom play a big role in the current state of affairs in the ME (looking at you, Saudi Arabia), refuse to take any refugees whatsoever?

Why should we make our decisions in the US based on what Saudi Arabia does?

Why should we make our decisions in the US (and the Western world in general) based on a photo of one dead kid that the media exploited to guilt people into eschewing our immigration laws and blindly accepting hundreds of thousands of refugees, many of whom aren't even of Syrian origin and are being exploited themselves by smugglers and identity fraudsters looking to make a quick buck off their European staycations?



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JWeinCom on 01 October 2015
NightDragon83 said:
JWeinCom said:
NightDragon83 said:

Wow, you mean all those Syrians go directly next door before they go anywhere else?  No kidding!

The point of the meme was that despite being relatively safe in neighboring countries like Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan etc. as compared to their war ravaged homeland, many Syrian "refugees" (I put that in quotes because there are plenty of other migrants that are part of the waves traveling to Europe that aren't of Syrian origin) choose to advance onward to Europe, specifically Germany for obvious reasons, rather than stick things out at their neighbors' places... who  aren't exactly welcoming their Syrian brethren in with open arms i might add.

And that graphic you posted is even more interesting because of all the big fat zeroes over the Arab states in the Gulf region.  Explain why Europe, the US, or anyone else for that matter should take in a single refugee when none of those states, some of whom play a big role in the current state of affairs in the ME (looking at you, Saudi Arabia), refuse to take any refugees whatsoever?

Why should we make our decisions in the US based on what Saudi Arabia does?

Why should we make our decisions in the US (and the Western world in general) based on a photo of one dead kid that the media exploited to guilt people into eschewing our immigration laws and blindly accepting hundreds of thousands of refugees, many of whom aren't even of Syrian origin and are being exploited themselves by smugglers and identity fraudsters looking to make a quick buck off their European staycations?


Why are you making a strawman argument instead of answering the question?  You made the claim that Saudi Arabia's actions are relevant to what we should do.  Why?



GamechaserBE on 01 October 2015
NightDragon83 said:

For all of Trump's grandstanding and hyperbole, he's not that far off with some of his comments.  A good chunk of the "refugees" currently flooding into Europe from northern Africa and the ME are no more political / war refugees than they are economic migrants, not unlike the hundreds of thousands that pour into the US via the southern border every year, that are simply looking to take advantage of the generous benefits certain countries are willing to hand out to them.

This meme explains the whole Syrian "refugee crisis" in a nutshell...

So is their a difference?  If their are no bullets it is fine to let them die from hunger? It is no secret that the budgets for the camps in Libanon/Turkey are schrinking and the budgets went from 30 euro for one week to 5 euro for sometimes a whole family.... That line also respresents it. So many countries but no help, Turkey/Hungary/Bulgary are certainly no places where they are welcome.  Also not fair for Austria because they are having many refugees.



funkateer2 on 01 October 2015
kitler53 said:
so he's just flat out lying to say all Syrian refugees are men now?

sending them back is basically a death sentence. trump, you're a real asshole.


Everyone whose life has been all about blatant self-enrichment and self-aggrandization as much as Trump's life has been, and then wants to rule the most powerful western country in the world should be deemed suspicious. Nothing good can come from that. Such a guy is by default unable to properly represent a whole nation like the US.