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Faelco on 01 October 2015
DerNebel said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
OP, I am wondering what scores you'd give Nintendo and Sony first party? Just for comparisons sake.

Nintendo has put out some gems this gen but also some big duds, which is much worse than MicroSony putting out a dud because the Wii U gets very poor third party support. So each bad/average game is a much bigger blow.

We're pretty much two years into the gen and all Sony first party has to show is Driveclub, which was a gorgeous game but otherwise pretty average. I mean, what does one decent game score you? I guess the bulk of the score here would depend on your opinion of unreleased games like Uncharted 4 and Horizon, because it surely can't be good based on the current output.

In comparisons sake I think the state of MS first party is actually quite good. I mean hell, at least they've released multiple titles of quality.

When did Infamous: Second Son cease to exist? Oh and MLB The Show, for those who like it? What quality new titles have MS' first party studios made up to now on X1 aside from Forza 5 & 6? I can't think of any.

Sonys first party studios were mismanaged and thus a lot of them are way behind on PS4 development but at the end of the day they at least exist and most if not all of them are working on PS4 titles, a lot on new IPs.


Or Killzone, or Knack, or Bloodborne (co-developed by Japan Studio), or Little Big Planet 3 (co-developed by MM), or Tearaway Unfolded....

 

We live in a crazy world, where Sony's games just disappeared from some people's minds! 



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LudicrousSpeed on 01 October 2015
Bryank75 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
Bryank75 said:
What I realised long ago was that Microsoft do not want studios, the donn't actually want 1st parties at all. They want to attract people to their console and then try to keep them there paying subs and getting royalties.

That is why the core titles for xbox are only Halo, Gears and Forza. The rest are disposable for them and would not be made if they didn't need to. Microsoft were always very cynical in terms of business ethics.
They have very little stake in game development and are not here "for the gamers", they are here for the money. Nothing more.

I dont want to offend anyone, this is simply my honest opinion on them as a past customer (gen 7).

Microsoft is a business. Yes, they are in it for the money. Just like Sony and Nintendo. It's hilarious how quickly people forget what Sony tried with the PS3, lol.

The funniest part about the post is the part about subs and core games, as if the other two companies don't do the same thing.


They are businesses but they are not all black or all white. But I would say that MS are the darkest shade of grey on the palette.

They led the way in terms of subscriptions, moneyhatting games and DLC along with marketing.... this obviously wouldn't go unanswered by the competition and the problem for MS is the dreadfully underestimated their competition.

Playstation division proved during the PS2 era that the games will be made and they will cater to as many tastes as possible. 

Moneyhatting things existed long before MS even entered the console business. No game personifies this or the double standard involved with it more than Tomb Raider. I enjoy the shifting goal posts when it comes to subscriptions as well. By the way, Sega led the way, not MS. I guess this means MS also gets a free pass from you?

In regards to tastes, I'm not sure what more MS can do this gen to apply to different tastes. They even have a JRPG and RTS in the works.



LudicrousSpeed on 01 October 2015
Faelco said:
DerNebel said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
OP, I am wondering what scores you'd give Nintendo and Sony first party? Just for comparisons sake.

Nintendo has put out some gems this gen but also some big duds, which is much worse than MicroSony putting out a dud because the Wii U gets very poor third party support. So each bad/average game is a much bigger blow.

We're pretty much two years into the gen and all Sony first party has to show is Driveclub, which was a gorgeous game but otherwise pretty average. I mean, what does one decent game score you? I guess the bulk of the score here would depend on your opinion of unreleased games like Uncharted 4 and Horizon, because it surely can't be good based on the current output.

In comparisons sake I think the state of MS first party is actually quite good. I mean hell, at least they've released multiple titles of quality.

When did Infamous: Second Son cease to exist? Oh and MLB The Show, for those who like it? What quality new titles have MS' first party studios made up to now on X1 aside from Forza 5 & 6? I can't think of any.

Sonys first party studios were mismanaged and thus a lot of them are way behind on PS4 development but at the end of the day they at least exist and most if not all of them are working on PS4 titles, a lot on new IPs.


Or Killzone, or Knack, or Bloodborne (co-developed by Japan Studio), or Little Big Planet 3 (co-developed by MM), or Tearaway Unfolded....

 

We live in a crazy world, where Sony's games just disappeared from some people's minds! 

Regarding the first two games, my post clearly said "of quality". I mean, I could run down a list of all the Nintendo/Sony studios and their games this gen as the OP did but I was going more for low hanging fruit to shorten the post.  Regarding the last three, I think the thread is about first party, which none of those games are.

Anyways that comment was geared for the OP, as he rated MS a 5 I was just curious what score he'd give Nintendo, and how much lower his Sony score would be. Maybe someone should make a thread about the sorry state of Sony's first party.

I think we're seeing a clear shift from MicroSony towards moneyhatting games and contracting out lots of IP's/games to outside studios.



LtDrake on 01 October 2015
LudicrousSpeed said:
Faelco said:
DerNebel said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
OP, I am wondering what scores you'd give Nintendo and Sony first party? Just for comparisons sake.

Nintendo has put out some gems this gen but also some big duds, which is much worse than MicroSony putting out a dud because the Wii U gets very poor third party support. So each bad/average game is a much bigger blow.

We're pretty much two years into the gen and all Sony first party has to show is Driveclub, which was a gorgeous game but otherwise pretty average. I mean, what does one decent game score you? I guess the bulk of the score here would depend on your opinion of unreleased games like Uncharted 4 and Horizon, because it surely can't be good based on the current output.

In comparisons sake I think the state of MS first party is actually quite good. I mean hell, at least they've released multiple titles of quality.

When did Infamous: Second Son cease to exist? Oh and MLB The Show, for those who like it? What quality new titles have MS' first party studios made up to now on X1 aside from Forza 5 & 6? I can't think of any.

Sonys first party studios were mismanaged and thus a lot of them are way behind on PS4 development but at the end of the day they at least exist and most if not all of them are working on PS4 titles, a lot on new IPs.


Or Killzone, or Knack, or Bloodborne (co-developed by Japan Studio), or Little Big Planet 3 (co-developed by MM), or Tearaway Unfolded....

 

We live in a crazy world, where Sony's games just disappeared from some people's minds! 

Regarding the first two games, my post clearly said "of quality". I mean, I could run down a list of all the Nintendo/Sony studios and their games this gen as the OP did but I was going more for low hanging fruit to shorten the post.  Regarding the last three, I think the thread is about first party, which none of those games are.

Anyways that comment was geared for the OP, as he rated MS a 5 I was just curious what score he'd give Nintendo, and how much lower his Sony score would be. Maybe someone should make a thread about the sorry state of Sony's first party.

I think we're seeing a clear shift from MicroSony towards moneyhatting games and contracting out lots of IP's/games to outside studios.

Infamous SS and Tearaway: Unfolded are very high quality games.



Spade on 01 October 2015

This is honestly why this is my last MS console to main. Next gen I'm all PS for 3rd party and exclusives.
I don't care much for Halo, Gears, or main Forza; I'll buy Horizon though.



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Bryank75 on 01 October 2015
LudicrousSpeed said:
Bryank75 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
Bryank75 said:
What I realised long ago was that Microsoft do not want studios, the donn't actually want 1st parties at all. They want to attract people to their console and then try to keep them there paying subs and getting royalties.

That is why the core titles for xbox are only Halo, Gears and Forza. The rest are disposable for them and would not be made if they didn't need to. Microsoft were always very cynical in terms of business ethics.
They have very little stake in game development and are not here "for the gamers", they are here for the money. Nothing more.

I dont want to offend anyone, this is simply my honest opinion on them as a past customer (gen 7).

Microsoft is a business. Yes, they are in it for the money. Just like Sony and Nintendo. It's hilarious how quickly people forget what Sony tried with the PS3, lol.

The funniest part about the post is the part about subs and core games, as if the other two companies don't do the same thing.


They are businesses but they are not all black or all white. But I would say that MS are the darkest shade of grey on the palette.

They led the way in terms of subscriptions, moneyhatting games and DLC along with marketing.... this obviously wouldn't go unanswered by the competition and the problem for MS is the dreadfully underestimated their competition.

Playstation division proved during the PS2 era that the games will be made and they will cater to as many tastes as possible. 

Moneyhatting things existed long before MS even entered the console business. No game personifies this or the double standard involved with it more than Tomb Raider. I enjoy the shifting goal posts when it comes to subscriptions as well. By the way, Sega led the way, not MS. I guess this means MS also gets a free pass from you?

In regards to tastes, I'm not sure what more MS can do this gen to apply to different tastes. They even have a JRPG and RTS in the works.


Yes, they are making an effort now to diversify the games they are offering. But as this thread is referring to 1st parties, I must point out the obvious....

None of the games you mention are being developed by first party devs. There is Creative Assembly for Halo Wars, Platinum for Scalebound and Remedy for QB. So what could someone take away from this? That they have no longterm plans for an expanded library of diverse or niche games. (what I was getting at earlier)

I am not familiar with Sega's policies regarding subs, moneyhatting and dlc. Maybe you could direct me to a good article!?

The moneyhatting thing started with games like Ryse, Dead rising and Titanfall in the first year of the gen and MS is continuing to try an secure these deals, it was inevitable that Sony would answer in kind. It is bad for all gamers now, we are all going to lose something!

 



Normchacho on 01 October 2015

I could have sworn we had a thread about this not that long ago.

Anyways, MS first party has been the weakest of the three so far this gen. But that's not overly surprising.



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kitler53 on 01 October 2015
Slade6alpha said:
This is honestly why this is my last MS console to main. Next gen I'm all PS for 3rd party and exclusives.
I don't care much for Halo, Gears, or main Forza; I'll buy Horizon though.


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Maraccuda on 01 October 2015

I had never thought MS had a huge number of 1st party games for any of its consoles.
But to get back on topic I do feel the Xbone has less exclusives this year than previous years.



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AlfredoTurkey on 01 October 2015
LudicrousSpeed said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
While not a MS IP, I think Titanfall not doing well took MS by surprise. That game was suppose to be the new Halo for them, and it sort of flopped. I really don't think they intended to have to find another game like that.

Titanfall was supposed to be the next Halo for them, when it was not developed or published by them and was not exclusive to their platform? I think that's the best oversell on the importance of Titanfall I have ever seen on Chartz, which is saying something.

Also, the game sold millions and was a success according to EA. How much did it need to sell to not be a flop? Just curious. Did every Xbone owner need to buy it? lol.


That game was suppose to be the next big FPS. It was hyped as a game that was going to do for FPS what Mario did for platforming. It was suppose to redefine everything we know about the genre. 

 

In the end, it didn't do anything. 

It is a big FPS. It sold millions on limited platforms.

Please find me quotes from journalists predicting it to be the Mario of platforming. LOL, the revisionist history is real.


I used the Mario analogy. But here is what IGN said about the game before it came out.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/22/i-played-titanfall-and

"This is Microsoft’s killer app. You will buy an Xbox One for Titanfall, and you should. Sure, you’d have a good time with it on PC if you’ve got a capable rig, but your couch and the Xbox Live community will be the ecosystem it’s best enjoyed in. It likely won’t decimate Call of Duty’s market share anytime soon – particularly since it’s a platform exclusive – but once Titanfall releases this spring, I guarantee you that word will spread amongst the hardcore CoD community. “Have you seen Titanfall?” they’ll say. And little by little – or maybe in droves, who knows? – they will flock to Titanfall, and they will never go back. Not after this. Titanfall is the next great evolution of the twitch-action first-person shooter. Believe the hype."

No revisionist anything. You're wrong.