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What a difference six years makes. From almost nothing, to a bitchin stable of over twenty developers.



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Chris Hu said:
Leynos said:

Talking about the appeal. Gears doesn't have the broad appeal it used to. Cover shooters are no longer the hot thing like they were in the 7th gen. They fell out of favor. So again they don't move the needle in sales. People were not buying an Xbox in droves for those series anymore regardless of the quality of the game itself.

Well the majority of people that buy Microsoft and Sony consoles don't buy them because of a strong first party lineup they buy them mostly to play third party titles Nintendo consoles are the only ones that get bought mostly because of their strong first party games.

Given the lackluster sales of Xbox One I'd say that's not as true for Xbox. Sony yeah. 360 was doing its best when Halo and Gears were hot IPs. Traditionally true for Nintendo and still true for Switch. I believe Switch is the least reliant on that given how good its third-party support is. It is so loaded with 3rd party exclusives and Japanese AA games. Perfect indie machine. Yeah First [arty selling amazing but other stuff selling well enough to keep supporting it. Not been the case for them in a long long time. MS is clear the understood they need much stronger first-party output and stuff. Hence buying so many studios.



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Leynos said:
Chris Hu said:

Well the majority of people that buy Microsoft and Sony consoles don't buy them because of a strong first party lineup they buy them mostly to play third party titles Nintendo consoles are the only ones that get bought mostly because of their strong first party games.

Given the lackluster sales of Xbox One I'd say that's not as true for Xbox. Sony yeah. 360 was doing its best when Halo and Gears were hot IPs. Traditionally true for Nintendo and still true for Switch. I believe Switch is the least reliant on that given how good its third-party support is. It is so loaded with 3rd party exclusives and Japanese AA games. Perfect indie machine. Yeah First [arty selling amazing but other stuff selling well enough to keep supporting it. Not been the case for them in a long long time. MS is clear the understood they need much stronger first-party output and stuff. Hence buying so many studios.

8 of the top 10 best selling 360 games where third party same thing applies to the X1.  The original X Box has four first party games and some third party exclusives in its top ten best selling games.  So yeah the 360 didn't really sell better because of better first party games.  X1 sold a lot less then the 360 is mostly due to the terrible launch.  



Chris Hu said:
Leynos said:

Given the lackluster sales of Xbox One I'd say that's not as true for Xbox. Sony yeah. 360 was doing its best when Halo and Gears were hot IPs. Traditionally true for Nintendo and still true for Switch. I believe Switch is the least reliant on that given how good its third-party support is. It is so loaded with 3rd party exclusives and Japanese AA games. Perfect indie machine. Yeah First [arty selling amazing but other stuff selling well enough to keep supporting it. Not been the case for them in a long long time. MS is clear the understood they need much stronger first-party output and stuff. Hence buying so many studios.

8 of the top 10 best selling 360 games where third party same thing applies to the X1.  The original X Box has four first party games and some third party exclusives in its top ten best selling games.  So yeah the 360 didn't really sell better because of better first party games.  X1 sold a lot less then the 360 is mostly due to the terrible launch.  

@bold Not sure what you are considering launch, but the XB1 did pretty well at launch until they admitted their error with the forced kinect. After that all sales dropped in anticipation for the new kinectless SKU's. Titanfall and other games kept the forced kinect SKU's selling quite well during launch.



Farsala said:
Chris Hu said:

8 of the top 10 best selling 360 games where third party same thing applies to the X1.  The original X Box has four first party games and some third party exclusives in its top ten best selling games.  So yeah the 360 didn't really sell better because of better first party games.  X1 sold a lot less then the 360 is mostly due to the terrible launch.  

@bold Not sure what you are considering launch, but the XB1 did pretty well at launch until they admitted their error with the forced kinect. After that all sales dropped in anticipation for the new kinectless SKU's. Titanfall and other games kept the forced kinect SKU's selling quite well during launch.

I'm pretty sure the launch would have been a lot better if the system would have been $100 dollars cheaper and launched without the Kinect.  The PS1 kicked the Saturns ass at launch since it was $100 dollars cheaper, of course launching the 32X late in the Genesis life cycle and loosing Electronic Arts as a third party publisher didn't help either.



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Chris Hu said:
Farsala said:

@bold Not sure what you are considering launch, but the XB1 did pretty well at launch until they admitted their error with the forced kinect. After that all sales dropped in anticipation for the new kinectless SKU's. Titanfall and other games kept the forced kinect SKU's selling quite well during launch.

I'm pretty sure the launch would have been a lot better if the system would have been $100 dollars cheaper and launched without the Kinect.  The PS1 kicked the Saturns ass at launch since it was $100 dollars cheaper, of course launching the 32X late in the Genesis life cycle and loosing Electronic Arts as a third party publisher didn't help either.

Of course it would have been better. But I don't consider the XB1 to have a terrible launch. It was pretty close with the PS4 considering the circumstances.



ice said:

Useless nonsense 

Get rekt OP, what a TOOL

Now you the second biggest gamepass leech to have existed. 



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ice said:
Spade said:

Fast forward to 2018...

Fast Forward to 2021....

Seriously, I never thought MS would turn it around, I remember making this thread knowing I would probably get hate from xbox fans. And the 1st party actually got worse than this for a while, crazy how things have changed.

EDIT: also "SoT is not what I wanted" *now has 1,500 hours invested in it*

Did they really though? Bought Bethesda out of desperation (Source: Amazing Lucas), still 60 meta games, no home grown talent, "wait till E3," hiding gamepass numbers, etc. 

Fully expect MS to spin Xbox off in the next 17 months. sarc



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Spade said:
ice said:

Fast Forward to 2021....

Seriously, I never thought MS would turn it around, I remember making this thread knowing I would probably get hate from xbox fans. And the 1st party actually got worse than this for a while, crazy how things have changed.

EDIT: also "SoT is not what I wanted" *now has 1,500 hours invested in it*

Did they really though? Bought Bethesda out of desperation (Source: Amazing Lucas), still 60 meta games, no home grown talent, "wait till E3," hiding gamepass numbers, etc. 

Fully expect MS to spin Xbox off in the next 17 months. sarc

Papa phil already in talks with sony to make GP exclusive to PS once they shutdown xbox.



This thread is the embodyment of the state of xbox first party. And its hillarious.
2015
Worst library in gaming history. Gamers complaining. Sales tanking.

2018
Necrobump. Ms buys a bunch of studios. Everyone hyped. Things are finally turning around. Still zero new big games come out outside the Trinity. Dosent matter to xbox fans.

2021
Necrobumb again. Ms buys Bethesda. In 6 years there are still no games to graze the xbox oustide the Trinity and crack down wich was a laughing stock. Halo infinite delayed and got ridiculed. No games launching with a new gen console. But fans finally see the light cuz some cg trailers where shown and not even a hint of a realease date. Some solhowed so little that they where basicly still pictures in perfect dark. So basicly concept art. And talks about the concept of a game in project mara with nothing started. Yet fans rave.

I really dont know what to say. What exactly are fans happy about? I have yet to see anything. Im very confused.



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