| Tachikoma said: Samus, Dernebel, Both of you need to chill. Like, right now. |
You're like 7-8 hours late.
| Tachikoma said: Samus, Dernebel, Both of you need to chill. Like, right now. |
You're like 7-8 hours late.
| potato_hamster said: You do realize that pointing out the fact that the with market has expanding, total hardware sales have getting bigger, and yet Nintendo's sales have gotten smaller shows that Nintendo's market share for each generation (barring Wii and DS) has diminished even further than even the raw sales data indicates, right? Your point actually makes Nintendo look worse. |
And now you are trying to spin it even more.
Let´s do it the other way around, shall we?
Ps1 Marketshare: 70 - 75%
Ps2 Marketshare: 70 - 75% (DC sold actually 10.6m and GC 22.7)
Ps3 Marketshare: 30%
Ps4 estimated marketshare: 52%
Wait wait wait, so there is a trend of Sony going down despite the ps4 success?? What does that means?? OH yeah, NOTHING, because is still the leader of the market right now.
What about
3rd generation - Nintendo leads
4th generation - Nintendo leads
5th generation - Sony Leads
6th generation - Sony leads
7th generation - Nintendo leads
8th generation - Sony leads
Where do you see a trend in there? Every generation has a different strategy, different market size and a different level of competition, and every generation had different results, there is not a trend in there just because Nintendo failed 2 consecutive times, if something that says that Nintendo could lead again next gen despite the inmense failure of this one, what would be the trend then?? None? Or will you use the marketshare bs to say that there is a trend on Nintendo falling despite the Wii and NX?? or it will be still a trend if it doesn´t reach nes and snes levels of marketshare? What about if next gen we have a 400 milion market with 5 competitive consoles and Nintendo wins with a 25%? Is still going down because is not close to nes, snes and wii marketshare even winning the gen and selling more than those?
Not surprised at all. It deserved to sell better than NSMBU because its the better 2d mario game.
| Goodnightmoon said: And now you are trying to spin it even more. |
Seriously? You think overall sales are meaningless, you think market share is meaningless, but selling the most per generation somehow a useful statistic? On what grounds? Would the PS Vita be a successful console for Sony if the 3DS so 8 million total? Not a bit. It would still be a financial failure even though it sold the most of it's generation. On the other hand if the Wii sold 86 million, the PS3 sold 85 milliion and the X360 sold 84 million, would you consider the X360 a failure, because it "came third"? Hardly. Selling the most of a generation is not a great indicator of success at all. Yet somehow you think losing marketshare in a growing market is somehow not a better indication of declining success.
And here you are accusing me of spin.
But don't worry, goodnightmoon, it'll soon be over. If Nintendo continues on the path they're on, it's only a matter of years before the only way you can buy a new Nintendo game is on a device not made by Nintendo - just like Sega. I wonder how you'll spin that when the time comes...
potato_hamster said:
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No I don´t think overall sales are meaningless at all, I´m just pointing that every generation is different so you cannot make a falling trend that start with Snes selling less than Nes, because that´s similar to Ps4 selling less than ps2, and no one says that Sony is in a falling trend for that because in both cases they were the market leader, but the competition and the market size was different.
And I wonder how are you going to spin reality once NX sell more than WiiU, because following your logic, that breaks the trend again, doesn it? if you break the trend twice, is still a trend?? And even the most pessimistic people right now thinks NX will sell more than WiiU so... don´t worry it will take no time until that supposed trend is broken... again.
Goodnightmoon said:
And I wonder how are you going to spin reality once NX sell more than WiiU, because following your logic, that breaks the trend again, doesn it? if you break the trend twice, is still a trend?? And even the most pessimistic people right now thinks NX will sell more than WiiU so... don´t worry it will take no time until that supposed trend is broken... again. |
It depends. Does the NX Home sell more than the Wii U? Or, does the NX platform sell more than the Wii U and 3DS combined? If not, then the trend isn't really broken, is it?
potato_hamster said:
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Oh I see, now you are combining homeconsoles and handhelds to prove NX will continue that supposed trend if sells less than both combined, let´s do the list again with that criteria, shall we?
Nintendo (handheld consoles + homeconsoles)
3th gen: 62m
4th gen: 109m
5th gen: 92m
6th gen: 103m
7th gen: 250m
8th gen projection: 87m
Where is that trend you have been talking about all this time now???
"Not spinning reality" Ha Ha Ha
Better late than never. Should reach 3m LT.
Bet with Teeqoz for 2 weeks of avatar and sig control that Super Mario Odyssey would ship more than 7m on its first 2 months. The game shipped 9.07m, so I won

Goodnightmoon said:
Oh I see, now you are combining homeconsoles and handhelds to prove NX will continue that supposed trend if sells less than both combined, let´s do the list again with that criteria, shall we? |
So did you just make a lot of those numbers up and just break apart gameboy sales over generations all willy-nilly to make the numbers look better? There have been 6 console generations, and only 4 handheld generations in the same time period, and they do not line up. For example, the gameboy spanned three home console generations, the GBA spanned 2, the DS spanned 2, and the 3DS has spanned 2, so I'm not really sure how you can package them up over generations like that. Is the Gameboy part of the N64 generation, or is the GBA part of the generation? Probably neither. It seems to me that you quite literally made up a bunch of supposed statistics to make your stance look better.
The NX on the other hand would be the first time that the hardware (home and handheld) would release simulatenously, and be considered the same platform, so in that instance it would make sense to combine them, as it would be replacing both the Wii U and the 3DS simultaneously, would it not?
Keep on thinking you're not the one doing the spinning, though. It makes you look fantastic.