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XanderXT on 29 September 2015
Darwinianevolution said:
PAOerfulone said:
It's not a failure by any means, it's just disappointing in terms of hardware. Software on the other hand is a different story.

DS aside, because the DS was the second greatest selling gaming system of all-time, second only to the PlayStation 2. And a majority of that audience, as well as the PSP's audience, went to the Smartphone, mobile gaming market.

I mean, the 3DS has just about everything you could ask for from a Nintendo Handheld.
-Pokemon, Mario, in all forms and genres, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Donkey Kong (while a port of a Wii game, is still more than what the DS got), Fire Emblem, Star Fox, Kirby, the successful return of Kid Icarus, it even got Smash Bros.
-Respectable 3rd Party Support from major Japanese publishers such as Capcom (Monster Hunter, Phoenix Wright, Resident Evil), Square Enix (Kingdom Hearts, and various other RPGs), SEGA (Sonic), Bandai Namco (Tales of).
-And despite all of that, it is tracking well below where the DS was when that system was at the point of it's life where the 3DS is now.

But, I wouldn't say the 3DS is failure because of that, not at all. If anything, that goes to show how much of a Grand Slam, walk-off, success that the DS was. And the casual market was a big part of that, but now mobile and smartphone devices have taken that market away almost entirely.

So for a better comparison, let's try comparing the 3DS to the GameBoy Advance.
I don't think it's going to match the 81 million units of the GameBoy Advance.
I'd say the 3DS will finish somewhere around 70 million units. Just below the mark.
However, whatever the 3DS loses to the GameBoy Advance in hardware, I think it will make up for in software.
I think when all is said and done, the 3DS will finish with bettwer software sales figures overall, than the GameBoy Advance. And with that, the 3DS will be a big success in it's own right, and will stand proudly shoulder to shoulder with the GameBoy line as they all look above their head at the DS.

Also, the 3DS has a better software distribution than the DS. The DS has hundreds of wonderful games, but even with a +150million userbase, a lot of those hardly broke the million mark. We even have cases like SMT Devil Survivor, whose remake sold better on the 3DS than on the DS, despite having  1/3 of the userbase. Games like Chinatown, Pokemon Conquest and Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon would have sold better on the 3DS if they were avalible, they are pretty hard to find nowadays. The lack of a DS Virtual Console on the DS still baffles me.

Why would there be a DS virtual console on the DS?



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ZhugeEX on 29 September 2015

The 3DS isn't a failure. Nor is the DS an anomaly.

The DS did exceptionally well and appealed to the mass market audience.
The 3DS started off well once it hit the right price and had the right software but has been struggling of late and is now doing poorly compared to the DS. The 3DS has certainly failed to capture the mass market audience despite the growing number of gamers. Mobile is where they are these days.



Darwinianevolution on 29 September 2015
XanderXT said:
Darwinianevolution said:
PAOerfulone said:
It's not a failure by any means, it's just disappointing in terms of hardware. Software on the other hand is a different story.

DS aside, because the DS was the second greatest selling gaming system of all-time, second only to the PlayStation 2. And a majority of that audience, as well as the PSP's audience, went to the Smartphone, mobile gaming market.

I mean, the 3DS has just about everything you could ask for from a Nintendo Handheld.
-Pokemon, Mario, in all forms and genres, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Donkey Kong (while a port of a Wii game, is still more than what the DS got), Fire Emblem, Star Fox, Kirby, the successful return of Kid Icarus, it even got Smash Bros.
-Respectable 3rd Party Support from major Japanese publishers such as Capcom (Monster Hunter, Phoenix Wright, Resident Evil), Square Enix (Kingdom Hearts, and various other RPGs), SEGA (Sonic), Bandai Namco (Tales of).
-And despite all of that, it is tracking well below where the DS was when that system was at the point of it's life where the 3DS is now.

But, I wouldn't say the 3DS is failure because of that, not at all. If anything, that goes to show how much of a Grand Slam, walk-off, success that the DS was. And the casual market was a big part of that, but now mobile and smartphone devices have taken that market away almost entirely.

So for a better comparison, let's try comparing the 3DS to the GameBoy Advance.
I don't think it's going to match the 81 million units of the GameBoy Advance.
I'd say the 3DS will finish somewhere around 70 million units. Just below the mark.
However, whatever the 3DS loses to the GameBoy Advance in hardware, I think it will make up for in software.
I think when all is said and done, the 3DS will finish with bettwer software sales figures overall, than the GameBoy Advance. And with that, the 3DS will be a big success in it's own right, and will stand proudly shoulder to shoulder with the GameBoy line as they all look above their head at the DS.

Also, the 3DS has a better software distribution than the DS. The DS has hundreds of wonderful games, but even with a +150million userbase, a lot of those hardly broke the million mark. We even have cases like SMT Devil Survivor, whose remake sold better on the 3DS than on the DS, despite having  1/3 of the userbase. Games like Chinatown, Pokemon Conquest and Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon would have sold better on the 3DS if they were avalible, they are pretty hard to find nowadays. The lack of a DS Virtual Console on the 3DS still baffles me.

Why would there be a DS virtual console on the DS?

Because there are a ton of DS games that suffered very poor distribution and/or low sales. The 3DS userbase has shown to buy more core games than the DS crowd, so it would be a great way to allow those titles to sell again. Also, taking into acount how big DS piracy and emulation is, it's obvious people are interested in those games.

Also, mistake corrected. Ups.



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Tachikoma on 29 September 2015
bunchanumbers said:

See that's the thing. They're fighting something bigger than competition in dedicated handhelds. They're competing against something that gets stronger every year, with better features and with cheaper games. Considering the competition, I think that 3DS did better than expected. Especially considering how little features it has vs mobile.

And yet when Sony says "we doubt there will be another playstation handheld, the market just isnt there for it" Nintendo fans jump in to gloat and say "yes there is, look at how much the 3ds is sold"

it's one or the other.



kopstudent89 on 29 September 2015

3DS not managing 20m in America is a disappointment. It hasn't done much better than the GC there..



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kopstudent89 on 29 September 2015
PAOerfulone said:

It's not a failure by any means, it's just disappointing in terms of hardware. Software on the other hand is a different story.

DS aside, because the DS was the second greatest selling gaming system of all-time, second only to the PlayStation 2. And a majority of that audience, as well as the PSP's audience, went to the Smartphone, mobile gaming market.

I mean, the 3DS has just about everything you could ask for from a Nintendo Handheld.
-Pokemon, Mario, in all forms and genres, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Donkey Kong (while a port of a Wii game, is still more than what the DS got), Fire Emblem, Star Fox, Kirby, the successful return of Kid Icarus, it even got Smash Bros.
-Respectable 3rd Party Support from major Japanese publishers such as Capcom (Monster Hunter, Phoenix Wright, Resident Evil), Square Enix (Kingdom Hearts, and various other RPGs), SEGA (Sonic), Bandai Namco (Tales of).
-And despite all of that, it is tracking well below where the DS was when that system was at the point of it's life where the 3DS is now.

But, I wouldn't say the 3DS is failure because of that, not at all. If anything, that goes to show how much of a Grand Slam, walk-off, success that the DS was. And the casual market was a big part of that, but now mobile and smartphone devices have taken that market away almost entirely.

So for a better comparison, let's try comparing the 3DS to the GameBoy Advance.
I don't think it's going to match the 81 million units of the GameBoy Advance.
I'd say the 3DS will finish somewhere around 70 million units. Just below the mark.
However, whatever the 3DS loses to the GameBoy Advance in hardware, I think it will make up for in software.
I think when all is said and done, the 3DS will finish with better software sales figures overall, than the GameBoy Advance. And with that, the 3DS will be a big success in it's own right, and will stand proudly shoulder to shoulder with the GameBoy line as they all look above their head at the DS.

Also GBA would've managed 100m if the DS didn't release so early in the lifecycle. 



XanderXT on 29 September 2015
Darwinianevolution said:
XanderXT said:
Darwinianevolution said:
PAOerfulone said:
It's not a failure by any means, it's just disappointing in terms of hardware. Software on the other hand is a different story.

DS aside, because the DS was the second greatest selling gaming system of all-time, second only to the PlayStation 2. And a majority of that audience, as well as the PSP's audience, went to the Smartphone, mobile gaming market.

I mean, the 3DS has just about everything you could ask for from a Nintendo Handheld.
-Pokemon, Mario, in all forms and genres, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Donkey Kong (while a port of a Wii game, is still more than what the DS got), Fire Emblem, Star Fox, Kirby, the successful return of Kid Icarus, it even got Smash Bros.
-Respectable 3rd Party Support from major Japanese publishers such as Capcom (Monster Hunter, Phoenix Wright, Resident Evil), Square Enix (Kingdom Hearts, and various other RPGs), SEGA (Sonic), Bandai Namco (Tales of).
-And despite all of that, it is tracking well below where the DS was when that system was at the point of it's life where the 3DS is now.

But, I wouldn't say the 3DS is failure because of that, not at all. If anything, that goes to show how much of a Grand Slam, walk-off, success that the DS was. And the casual market was a big part of that, but now mobile and smartphone devices have taken that market away almost entirely.

So for a better comparison, let's try comparing the 3DS to the GameBoy Advance.
I don't think it's going to match the 81 million units of the GameBoy Advance.
I'd say the 3DS will finish somewhere around 70 million units. Just below the mark.
However, whatever the 3DS loses to the GameBoy Advance in hardware, I think it will make up for in software.
I think when all is said and done, the 3DS will finish with bettwer software sales figures overall, than the GameBoy Advance. And with that, the 3DS will be a big success in it's own right, and will stand proudly shoulder to shoulder with the GameBoy line as they all look above their head at the DS.

Also, the 3DS has a better software distribution than the DS. The DS has hundreds of wonderful games, but even with a +150million userbase, a lot of those hardly broke the million mark. We even have cases like SMT Devil Survivor, whose remake sold better on the 3DS than on the DS, despite having  1/3 of the userbase. Games like Chinatown, Pokemon Conquest and Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon would have sold better on the 3DS if they were avalible, they are pretty hard to find nowadays. The lack of a DS Virtual Console on the 3DS still baffles me.

Why would there be a DS virtual console on the DS?

Because there are a ton of DS games that suffered very poor distribution and/or low sales. The 3DS userbase has shown to buy more core games than the DS crowd, so it would be a great way to allow those titles to sell again. Also, taking into acount how big DS piracy and emulation is, it's obvious people are interested in those games.

Also, mistake corrected. Ups.

Oh, I know that. I was just confused on what you said.



Roronaa_chan on 29 September 2015

Not to count the DS? Not to count it for what? I don't get what you'd saying



Superquagsire on 29 September 2015

Its definitely not a DS in terms of sales but it's not a Wii U in terms of sales. I think it did fairly good, especially since it was the system to keep Nintendo afloat during the really bad periods of the Wii U.



small44 on 29 September 2015

Then all handheld are failure because they sold less then ds and all home console are failure because they sold less then PS2



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m