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gergroy on 27 September 2015
Intrinsic said:
First you compare 32GB to 500GB.

Then you seem oblivious to why its necessary to install all games on the HDD. Think of this, WiiU games come on DVD type discs. Max capacity of 9.5GB. what that tells you is that a level in any WiiU game is probably no bigger than 2GB of assets that needs to be in system RAM at any one time. now imagine you needed to move as much as 5GB of assets from the disc to RAM to load up a level. and that you were doing that all from a disc as opposed to from a HDD which has average speeds that are over 4 times faster than a disc.

And then you somehow suggest that you need to "open your console" to change the HDD in the PS4, I wouldn't call sliding off something that's adequately called "the HDD faceplate" opening the console, just go look at what you need to do to change the HDD in an XB1. That's opening a console

The PS4 supporting external HDDs isn't a priority cause its the only console of the 3 that has instructions on how to change the HDD in the manual and that so doing doesn't void your warranty.

And lastly, you have options, if you don't want to go through the trouble of practicing a little data management, then you can spend $69 on a 2TB HDD and another 10 mins installing it into your console. its not a big deal.


They aren't normal dvd type discs, it is a proprietary format that holds up to 25 gigs...



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generic-user-1 on 27 September 2015
DonFerrari said:
gabzjmm23 said:
If you bought a console with its disk space capacity and you are going for digital and download updates and patches, each gamer should really be prepared that disk space would reach its limit and that is why WiiU got the hate more. You can get to its limit early on than Ps4. I've reached my limit on the WiiU once I've bought DK:TF and Pikmin 3. And for PS4 after 10 games I need further disk space. I don't need to whine on a forum but I know as a consumer I have gripes but since I wanted more disk space for both consoles I've bought an external HD for my WiiU and a 2TB for my Ps4. And then I don't have a problem. ;)

I get the hate but whining alone won't resolve the problem. If people think that disk space is an issue with that company and it is a big deal then boycott that product moving forward and go for a better option if possible.


Well, Sony could have put 1 or 2Tb HDD, but then a good chance of the console costing 450-500 would existe... and even though for us it isn't really a problem it would probably have impacted PS4 sales a lot, a lot more than insatisfaction with 500Gb may have caused... but yes sony could always had launched with 1Tb and 2Tb options.


another person with no clue what hdd cost... the difference between 1TB and 500GB is like 5 euros in !retail! sony realy cheaped out with the hdd. the product would be much better if they increased the price 10€ and packed in a 1tb 7200 rpm.



DonFerrari on 28 September 2015
generic-user-1 said:
DonFerrari said:


Well, Sony could have put 1 or 2Tb HDD, but then a good chance of the console costing 450-500 would existe... and even though for us it isn't really a problem it would probably have impacted PS4 sales a lot, a lot more than insatisfaction with 500Gb may have caused... but yes sony could always had launched with 1Tb and 2Tb options.


another person with no clue what hdd cost... the difference between 1TB and 500GB is like 5 euros in !retail! sony realy cheaped out with the hdd. the product would be much better if they increased the price 10€ and packed in a 1tb 7200 rpm.


2 years ago? I would say closer to 20-25 dollars;

MS is likely having 1Tb costing 50 more at retail than 500Gb and Sony is possibly doing the same... but sure, it was just 5 bucks



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Magnus on 28 September 2015

The pitiful Wii U storage size is inexcusable. It's one of the main reasons it sells so badly, IMO. I have no clue on why they went with flash memory over HDDs...



Pemalite on 04 October 2015
Magnus said:
The pitiful Wii U storage size is inexcusable. It's one of the main reasons it sells so badly, IMO. I have no clue on why they went with flash memory over HDDs...


Flash is cheaper.
It also allows much faster access times, it also uses less power, takes up less space, produces less heat, produces less noise and is more reliable. (Due to NOT having a disc rotating at 5-7 of thousand times a second.)

Those are the advantages which obviously out-weighed the cons at the time of design. (Bandwidth, capacity.)

Still think the USB ports should have been USB 3.0 though for super fast external storage.




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DemoniOtaku on 04 October 2015
Vodacixi said:

Ok, a few weeks ago I bought a PS4. And while I'm really enjoying everything it has to offer, there's one thing that really pisses me off: even if your games are physical copies, you still have to install the entire game in the console's hard drive mandatorily. Now, it wouldn't bother me if you had an incredibly big hard drive. Buy while 500 GB (now there's a 1TB model, ok) sounds like a lot, at the moment of truth you'll not even realize and you'll have fill the disk completley. So, 500 GB is close to nothing.

And when that happened to me yesterday, I could do nothing but remember how much critized Nintendo was because of its hard drive size. The thing is that even if 32 GB is total crap if you go for digital games, at least you can play as many physical games as you want, without having to worry about it. And at least you can use any external hard drive on the Wii U (even a flashdrive), while PS4 needs an specific one, open the console, etc...  So, the situation is, in fact, better in Wii U that it is in PS4, or at the very least, is exactly as bad in both platforms for one reason to another. But, for some reason, while PS4 wasn't that much criticized about this situation, Nintendo got a lot of of hate because of it. My question is... why so many hate for one and so little for the other if, in the end, the situation is not very different between them?

And I know I could just remove the data of the games I already finished, but that's not the point.



There are so many thing wrong in your argument.. firstly, to fill the PS4 HDD you need from 8-12 full retail games, note that not all games use up the space on a BD, and not all install full data on the HDD, I have 5 full retail games and almost all PS+ indies that have been given until now and still have +100gb left. On WiiU, yes, you can play every retail game without needing installation, but even for Digital only games, 32gb, is lacking.And the USB HDD on WiiU isn't absolutelly fautless, is USB 2.0 and You need to use two usb ports or have a hard disk with external power because it cann't power a HDD trhought a single USB port...

 

Things you can do about it:

-Delete data after you end a game, anyway the instalation doesn't take more than a couple of minutes, some even less than a minute. Some old gen games take more time loading levels.

-Replace the harddisk, There's a 2tb Seagate USB 3.0 Portable HDD that You can buy for arround 100$, you can open it and put it on your ps4, you can reuse the PS4 HDD on the case and use it on your WiiU (using a Y usb Cable) ... You kill two birds from a shot.

 

Remember that the PS3 had 20gb or 40gb at release, not even one game could fit there... and you could install less retail games there and even weren't full installs like right now.



 

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O-D-C on 04 October 2015
Intrinsic said:
First you compare 32GB to 500GB.

Then you seem oblivious to why its necessary to install all games on the HDD. Think of this, WiiU games come on DVD type discs. Max capacity of 9.5GB. what that tells you is that a level in any WiiU game is probably no bigger than 2GB of assets that needs to be in system RAM at any one time. now imagine you needed to move as much as 5GB of assets from the disc to RAM to load up a level. and that you were doing that all from a disc as opposed to from a HDD which has average speeds that are over 4 times faster than a disc.

And then you somehow suggest that you need to "open your console" to change the HDD in the PS4, I wouldn't call sliding off something that's adequately called "the HDD faceplate" opening the console, just go look at what you need to do to change the HDD in an XB1. That's opening a console

The PS4 supporting external HDDs isn't a priority cause its the only console of the 3 that has instructions on how to change the HDD in the manual and that so doing doesn't void your warranty.

And lastly, you have options, if you don't want to go through the trouble of practicing a little data management, then you can spend $69 on a 2TB HDD and another 10 mins installing it into your console. its not a big deal.

Wii U disks are Nintendo proprietary disks based off Blu-Ray disks and can hold up to 25GB of data.

From Wikipedia...

The Wii U Optical Disc (WUP-006) is the physical game medium for the Wii U, with a capacity of 25 GB. The Wii U system is backward compatible with Wii Optical Discs, but not backward compatible with Nintendo GameCube game discs.[13] The optical discs used for the Wii U differ in appearance from most other optical discs in that they have soft, rounded edges.[14]

The format was developed and supplied by Panasonic, which is one of the major patent holders in Blu-ray technology.[citation needed] It is not clear whether the Wii U Optical Disc is similar in physical design to the Blu-ray physical disc specification.[clarification needed] Nintendo President, Satoru Iwata stated, "Wii U does not have DVD or Blu-ray playback capabilities. The reason for that is that we feel that enough people already have devices that are capable of playing DVDs and Blu-ray, such that it didn't warrant the cost involved to build that functionality into the Wii U console because of the patents related to those technologies."[15]:3



Normchacho on 04 October 2015
Pemalite said:
Magnus said:
The pitiful Wii U storage size is inexcusable. It's one of the main reasons it sells so badly, IMO. I have no clue on why they went with flash memory over HDDs...


Flash is cheaper.
It also allows much faster access times, it also uses less power, takes up less space, produces less heat, produces less noise and is more reliable. (Due to NOT having a disc rotating at 5-7 of thousand times a second.)

Those are the advantages which obviously out-weighed the cons at the time of design. (Bandwidth, capacity.)

Still think the USB ports should have been USB 3.0 though for super fast external storage.

Yeah? A 5400 rpm drive rotates 5,000 times a second?

and no, Flash memory is much more expensive per gig than an hdd.



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Torillian on 04 October 2015
Normchacho said:
Pemalite said:


Flash is cheaper.
It also allows much faster access times, it also uses less power, takes up less space, produces less heat, produces less noise and is more reliable. (Due to NOT having a disc rotating at 5-7 of thousand times a second.)

Those are the advantages which obviously out-weighed the cons at the time of design. (Bandwidth, capacity.)

Still think the USB ports should have been USB 3.0 though for super fast external storage.

Yeah? A 5400 rpm drive rotates 5,000 times a second?

and no, Flash memory is much more expensive per gig than an hdd.

The 5-7 thousand times a second thing looked kinda crazy to me too and I was curious if that was accurate.  300,000 rpm is nothing to sneeze at, although my only experience with those numbers is using research centrifuges.  



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Normchacho on 04 October 2015
Torillian said:
Normchacho said:

Yeah? A 5400 rpm drive rotates 5,000 times a second?

and no, Flash memory is much more expensive per gig than an hdd.

The 5-7 thousand times a second thing looked kinda crazy to me too and I was curious if that was accurate.  300,000 rpm is nothing to sneeze at, although my only experience with those numbers is using research centrifuges.  


If it didn't just explode before it even reached those speeds, you'd probably be able to see an orange/red glow from the vents if you turned the lights off with it running. As it cooked the insides of the console of course.



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