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VR is and always will be niche. Its effect on the industry will be minimal if more than non-existent.



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HollyGamer said:
DirtyP2002 said:
Normchacho said:


I never really got how you would use AR for gaming...I mean, the game world would be limited by the space you're physically in.


Forza Vista in your living room for example.
Get your RPG character standing next to you while you check your armor, weapons or whatever
Make the whole wall your screen
Use your coffee table as a board for a map editor or forge mode in Halo
Call tactics in madden / Fifa / NHL / NBA on a pitch in front of you

And that is just what came to my mind in the first 4 minutes.

AR  for casual and familly games, VR in other hand for immersive experience and hardcore and mainstream games period.


What has this to do with casual / hardcore?

VR as it is now, is like a giant screen in front of you.
AR seems like an evolution or the next step above VR.

But we are still losing the main point: Porn will be great on AR!



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

DirtyP2002 said:


What has this to do with casual / hardcore?

VR as it is now, is like a giant screen in front of you.
AR seems like an evolution or the next step above VR.

But we are still losing the main point: Porn will be great on AR!


That is so far from the truth that I'm at a loss for words.



DirtyP2002 said:
HollyGamer said:
DirtyP2002 said:
Normchacho said:


I never really got how you would use AR for gaming...I mean, the game world would be limited by the space you're physically in.


Forza Vista in your living room for example.
Get your RPG character standing next to you while you check your armor, weapons or whatever
Make the whole wall your screen
Use your coffee table as a board for a map editor or forge mode in Halo
Call tactics in madden / Fifa / NHL / NBA on a pitch in front of you

And that is just what came to my mind in the first 4 minutes.

AR  for casual and familly games, VR in other hand for immersive experience and hardcore and mainstream games period.


What has this to do with casual / hardcore?

VR as it is now, is like a giant screen in front of you.
AR seems like an evolution or the next step above VR.

But we are still losing the main point: Porn will be great on AR!

AR and VR are essentially sisters, they do similar things. AR like VR has already been done in gaming, Kinect and PS Eye games that capture the environment is early stage AR.

Lets clarify things here:

Virtual reality: creates a artificial reality by controlling perception by providing artificial stimuli (video, audio, tactile, etc). Video games are essentially already this, just less immersive. Look at Nintendogs.

Augmented reality: augments percieved reality by reacting to external stimuli and responding with artificial stimuli.

This is something like Ingress, or Kinect/PS Eye pet games, a good example is KH3DS dream eater play system.

The immersivness of VR and AR is currently being developed on the audiovisual capabilities, increasing the input of artificial stimuli, and decreasing external stimuli (noise)



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WC4Life said:
ithis said:

Many people play games to go explore other worlds. There's no better way to do that than VR. Why wouldn't it catch on or why would it be "sad" if it did?


Current VR solutions just aren't practical when you take real world into account. For example, if you want to do something else while you are "mounted" you have to first take the thing off. With TV setup, you just pause the game and put the controller away and do your stuff, it is convenient. This is the biggest problem there is.

Depending on the hisical build of the headset, ausing VR to do something else could be as easy as what you do for the tv + you push away/take of the vr headset. If it's easy to put on easy to take off it's fine. Sure, you have to step out to do anything, but that's fine because it vill mediate the probaby very real issue of health/mental health that can appear for longer sessions.

VR limits your comfortable positions a lot and makes it a lot more difficult to change positions while playing.

In VR you are in the world and the actions you are usually doing would not involve "getting confortable" so that's a false issue. There'll be experiences that will place you into an contortable armchair and just float around but most of them will have you sitting or standing and turning left and right, not laying back - and that's the ideea actually (For me anyway).

Isolation, relationships will be affected by this. Person in VR is not going to have a lot of social presence in the room, be it boyfriends/girlfriends, children or guests.

Usually you wouldn't play VR when you have others around, basically exactly like you do when you play other games. Plus there is the VR presence and in game socializing to substitute. We'll see what effect that has on some.

Possible health problems, currently the sample size is not big enough to reveal possible negative health effects.

Since many VR games will require sitting standing, direct heath problems of sitting for long periouds of time will probably be reduced. If we think of a full VR experiance with an handtracking device and an omnithread that may even be a good workout. I don't think it will adversly affect the eyes or coordination of a person, but we can't know that. What I am woried about is the psychological effect that it may have on persons.

Investment, price of VR equipment and possible cost of upgrading your hardware.

Yes, that will prevent this becoming mainstream, but a PS4 + Morpehus + Move controllers you can save up for, or just straight on buy if you have a job, which many gamers have.

Value of VR experience, it is still unproved if mass market truly values the experience like the niche-audience does right now. Mass market could just say, VR is cool but it is not something I need in my life.

I didn't try anythinb better than the Google cardboard, and I have a big head so the InterOcular DIstance was off, so I didn't see clearly with one eye. Still, the experience in some apps was just impressive. Everyone that saw it was all WOWs and OHs. It's safe to say that VR done well is really different from anything else. It will have value if you are at all intrested in "excaping to farytales".

I really feel VR is still too early. Tech needs to advance a lot but eventually VR/AR (whatever solution it may be) will come and take over.

I feel VR is rather late. I was expecting Sony to have VR ready for the PS4 from the start and couple it with Morpheus which is just too obvious. Sure it wil get much better, that's normal.

Responses in bold.



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ithis said:

Responses in bold.

VR will never be mainstream in the gaming community, and as long as it is propreitary it shouldn't be.



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DirtyP2002 said:
HollyGamer said:
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AR  for casual and familly games, VR in other hand for immersive experience and hardcore and mainstream games period.


What has this to do with casual / hardcore?

VR as it is now, is like a giant screen in front of you.
AR seems like an evolution or the next step above VR.

But we are still losing the main point: Porn will be great on AR!

oh man,. i'm in just such agreement.  VR is nothign more than a giant screen in front of you.  AR, on the other hand, can do really innovative things like making the whole wall your screen.



kitler53 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
HollyGamer said:




What has this to do with casual / hardcore?

VR as it is now, is like a giant screen in front of you.
AR seems like an evolution or the next step above VR.

But we are still losing the main point: Porn will be great on AR!

oh man,. i'm in just such agreement.  VR is nothign more than a giant screen in front of you.  AR, on the other hand, can do really innovative things like making the whole wall your screen.


Sweet Jesus I'm in physical pain reading this (not really).

This must be sarcasm...Actually...looking at your earlier post too...am I being dumb...and they were both sarcasm?



Bet with Adamblaziken:

I bet that on launch the Nintendo Switch will have no built in in-game voice chat. He bets that it will. The winner gets six months of avatar control over the other user.

kitler53 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
HollyGamer said:
..

AR  for casual and familly games, VR in other hand for immersive experience and hardcore and mainstream games period.


What has this to do with casual / hardcore?

VR as it is now, is like a giant screen in front of you.
AR seems like an evolution or the next step above VR.

But we are still losing the main point: Porn will be great on AR!

oh man,. i'm in just such agreement.  VR is nothign more than a giant screen in front of you.  AR, on the other hand, can do really innovative things like making the whole wall your screen.


Sarcasm detected!  Good one.  



JRPGfan said:
Nem said:

Not to mention it isnt VR at all. Its a lie.

Even having that into account, while its these bricks you must put in your head, it will never be super popular.

What do you call it, when you move your head (in the real world) and your vision ingame follows the motions?

Its real VR.

People need to stop downplaying this already.

 

This is like "ps4 haz no gamez".


A gyro screen?

Its not VR. VR is what you see in the holodeck of startreck. A virtual reality you can interact with. Not a little screen to peek into another world.

"Virtual Reality (VR), which can be referred to as immersive multimedia or computer-simulated life, replicates an environment that simulates physical presence in places in the real world or imagined worlds and lets the user interact in that world. Virtual reality artificially creates sensory experiences, which can include sight, hearing, touch, smell, and taste."

I'm not downplaying anything. They are trying to sell a lie and they know it. They are just that desperate to sell it and get the return from the investment. This will be as big as the Move/kinect if not less.