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The Patriarchy at work, This is why MS killed their only prominent female video game character (Cortana) and now she's nothing more than an app for MEN to use at will. She's literally a tool for misogynistic pigs. Absolutely disgusting. I'm boycotting Halo 5 and you should also.



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I bet you guys didn't know that Zune was actually killed off because a WOMAN designed it! Wake up sheeple! Their game console should be called an XYbox to reflect their beliefs!



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Ka-pi96 said:
Teeqoz said:
Ka-pi96 said:
:o they've invented mind reading technology that can prove decisions were made on a discriminatory basis? Why can't I remember seeing any news about that, you'd think the invention of mind reading technology would have been big news wouldn't you?


You don't need to mind reading to see what gender gets the better benefits and bonus packages Kapi.

You do need mind reading if you're trying to argue that that is solely because of their gender though...


Not really. You just have to prove that one group is being treated unfairly, not that the unjust treatment was intentional. Whether or not Microsoft made conscious decisions to descriminate against women is besides the point in the eyes of the law. 

*At least that's how anti-discriminatory legislation generally reads. 



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Michelasso said:
Teeqoz said:


I'm sorry, but I don't really understand what you mean nor what it has to do with the paragraph I wrote.

I intended to say that in the IT industry, the one we are talking in here, I personally haven't seen any discrimination. It's a male dominated environment simply because fewer women choose that field. And between the few many have got promoted. So yes, it is black and white. Still I keep reading that it is a sexist environment.

I realize now you were talking in more general terms (sorry, it's quite late here) but still my impression is that although sexism does (and always will) exist, the discrimination is another thing. If we are talking about salary gaps in big corporations like MS those are not really possible. Because there are seniority levels, and each level has a salary range.

Indeed I've found an interesting report about the best 25 tech industries for women that confirms what I just wrote:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/best-tech-employers-for-women-2014-11?op=1

With no surprise MS is there.

I just know that when in a big company one in a team of 20, 30 or even 100 people gets promoted or publically recognized for the work done many colleagues are pist off, because they feel they were better. So a common feeling is "why him/her? I did much more!". WIth the difference that when it's a guy getting the promotion some may dismiss it as a case of brown nosing, some women think "I'm better, I deserved the promotion. But I'm a woman, he is a man ERGO the company is sexist!". 


The paragraph you quoted didn't adress this specific case, but I see you found that out. It was just something general. On this forum, people are the complete opposite of the super feminists like Anita Sarkeesian. For the most part, people here can't even acknowledge the possibility that this case is legit discrimination. I'm not saying it is, but people here that don't know anything about the case are pretty darn friggin quick to say it isn't. And this mentality isn't exclusive to this case, it's just a general behavior on the forum. That was what I was getting at, and that's what I meant by it not being black or white. You don't have to be either super feministic Anita Sarkeesian, or naive and think that there is no discrimination in the western world.



spemanig said:
I don't know enough about this case to form an opinion.

Neither to most of you.

Right, we need to see the facts.

However, this is a class action law suit against a big company. So its natural to presume a group of people trying to get rich are behind this.



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Teeqoz said:

The paragraph you quoted didn't adress this specific case, but I see you found that out. It was just something general. On this forum, people are the complete opposite of the super feminists like Anita Sarkeesian. For the most part, people here can't even acknowledge the possibility that this case is legit discrimination. I'm not saying it is, but people here that don't know anything about the case are pretty darn friggin quick to say it isn't. And this mentality isn't exclusive to this case, it's just a general behavior on the forum. That was what I was getting at, and that's what I meant by it not being black or white. You don't have to be either super feministic Anita Sarkeesian, or naive and think that there is no discrimination in the western world.

No, I understand it now. But I am with them in this case. I am all but a fan of MS, but to me MS and discrimination are two words that do not match. I do not have any personal experience on working at/for MS (I'm a Unix guy. I'm superior to that crap. lol) but in the other big American IT companies I've been working for one wasn't even allowed to THINK sexist. For just making a public sexist remark one can get fired. Which is especially true for managers. Then while it's true that the IT technical people are mostly men, the HR employees are usually women. At least in my small statistical champion. I doubt they are very keen on pushing a sexist agenda. So in this particular case it comes quite natural to call out for bollocks. But let's see how it will end up.

And to me Anita Sarkeesian and the likes are exactly the problem. After crying wolf far too many times people do not believe the wolf exists anymore. I'd love to know what those feminazi think about the European feminists Femen (which somehow I support. At least they fight for real issues). See, the various Anita pushing their agenda get popular and thus richer, the Femen ladies get incarcerated. Tell me who's more real.



Michelasso said:
Teeqoz said:

The paragraph you quoted didn't adress this specific case, but I see you found that out. It was just something general. On this forum, people are the complete opposite of the super feminists like Anita Sarkeesian. For the most part, people here can't even acknowledge the possibility that this case is legit discrimination. I'm not saying it is, but people here that don't know anything about the case are pretty darn friggin quick to say it isn't. And this mentality isn't exclusive to this case, it's just a general behavior on the forum. That was what I was getting at, and that's what I meant by it not being black or white. You don't have to be either super feministic Anita Sarkeesian, or naive and think that there is no discrimination in the western world.

No, I understand it now. But I am with them in this case. I am all but a fan of MS, but to me MS and discrimination are two words that do not match. I do not have any personal experience on working at/for MS (I'm a Unix guy. I'm superior to that crap. lol) but in the other big American IT companies I've been working for one wasn't even allowed to THINK sexist. For just making a public sexist remark one can get fired. Which is especially true for managers. Then while it's true that the IT technical people are mostly men, the HR employees are usually women. At least in my small statistical champion. I doubt they are very keen on pushing a sexist agenda. So in this particular case it comes quite natural to call out for bollocks. But let's see how it will end up.

And to me Anita Sarkeesian and the likes are exactly the problem. After crying wolf far too many times people do not believe the wolf exists anymore. I'd love to know what those feminazi think about the European feminists Femen (which somehow I support. At least they fight for real issues). See, the various Anita pushing their agenda get popular and thus richer, the Femen ladies get incarcerated. Tell me who's more real.

Its the same thing when "Its because Im a lack man" was a thing. There where instance on racesim out there, but most used it to try to get away with anything, then people caught up to it and started calling them out on the bullshit. Now its pariarchy this, mysogyny that, sexism here, now most people are not afraid to call them out on their bullshit.

There are some valid cases out there, but they are buried under the vast bullshit claims.



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