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Would the industry be better off without used games?

Yes 27 20.61%
 
No 104 79.39%
 
Total:131

The push against used media is simply put, capitalist bullshit.



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BraLoD said:
RubberWhistleHistle said:

and for the record, i dont fucking hate sony. as i said to another user in another thread, I have PS 1/2/3 with a combined 250+ games for those systems. I dont have a PS4, will probably get one eventually, I just don't like the way they are currently handling things. same goes for MS. I am allowed to disagree with what they're doing with the PS4 while still liking their earlier products and not hating them as a company.

I didn't said you hate Sony, but the PS4.

Now, about that link, can you please quote exactly what Yoshida said? Because I'm reading an actual article and seems like he said that MS backslash made easier for them to know how to approach with the PS4, in the opposite way. I don't see him saying Sony scrapped anti-consumer they had planned for the PS4 at all.

And even IF it was to be truth (note the IF), the fact is still the same, the PS4 is the reason the XBO now can run used games.

ok, i misunderstood. i will admit that I have a pretty big disdain for the PS4.

i did a quick search for his exact words, but i couldnt find anything conclusive. either way, the point is that Sony didn't "save" the used market, it is the consumer that saved the used game market. at best, sony was fully intending on doing it, but decided against it after, thats right, the CONSUMER'S response. I credit the consumer for standing against MS's policies, not Sony. Sony just reaped the benefits for being more patient about it. 



spemanig said:
Wonktonodi said:

some people already do it now, they set up an acount for a single digital game purchase then when they are done sell the acount. Thus "used" digital games.


And loop holes like that will always exist, but there's no way that method will ever become as mainstream as the current used game market is. It's too much convoluted work for too little reward.


well maybe the EU will finaly enforce the used media laws and make us able to sell our used software, like theythreatend steam to enforce the law that makes us able to get a refund for digital media



Ka-pi96 said:
RubberWhistleHistle said:
Ka-pi96 said:
Used market is great. It does fuel new game sales with people able to use money from trading in games towards them.

Plus there are plenty of games I wouldn't have played without the used games market. It also makes consoles worth owning after their successors come out since for most older consoles it's just not possible to buy new, they don't make them any more, so used is the only way to get games you don't already have on them.

i agree 100% with everything you said here. and still find it amazing that you have people here who think the industry is actually better off without used games. better off for who, exactly? i guess these guys would think it would be better if consoles like the 360 and PS3 were rendered completely useless in two years time. If there were no used market, there would be no place for these consoles besides the dumpster. Unlesss you're emotionally attached to your hardware and you want to keep it on a shelf to look at. Still would have no functional use whatsoever. That is not the kind of future I want for gaming at all. 

Yep it's great still being able to play older consoles rather than them just being a useless waste of space, long may it continue!

It wasn't too long ago that someone on here recommended Pokemon Snap to me and thanks to the used game market I was able to get a copy for my N64 even today

Hell yeah! The used game market kicks ass. There are so many games that would never see the light of day if it werent for the used market. 



Ka-pi96 said:

Yep it's great still being able to play older consoles rather than them just being a useless waste of space, long may it continue!

It wasn't too long ago that someone on here recommended Pokemon Snap to me and thanks to the used game market I was able to get a copy for my N64 even today


While that's a great point, that's an issue that will, for the most part, remain exclusive to those old consoles. I keep using Steam because it rings true - that platform will last indefinitely, and the games on it are there for the long run. There is no "out of print" to worry about, only being pulled off the market place, which is the exception rather than the rule.

In 20 years when people go back and play the PS4/XBO/Wii U, all those games will still be available on the market place, and for dirt cheap. Even now, I still can, and do, buy games from the PS3 digitally. There are games who's prices are preserved because of this. I plan on buying Peace Walker on PS3 digitally. I got Metroid Prime Trilogy, a game that used to run for like $200 physically, for $10 on the eshop. And that's all without having to scour game stores and ebay hoping someone has the game you want on the console you want in the condition you want for the price you want. You'll just buy the old system, look up the market place, and buy those games.

In a digital marketplace where there are no physical games, game preservation becomes easier and more streamlined, not more difficult.



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generic-user-1 said:

well maybe the EU will finaly enforce the used media laws and make us able to sell our used software, like theythreatend steam to enforce the law that makes us able to get a refund for digital media


Those are two completelty differnent things. One is a basic refund policy, and their solution is barely budging. Forcing them to create a meta-marketplace is ludacris.



spemanig said:
generic-user-1 said:

well maybe the EU will finaly enforce the used media laws and make us able to sell our used software, like theythreatend steam to enforce the law that makes us able to get a refund for digital media


Those are two completelty differnent things. One is a basic refund policy, and their solution is barely budging. Forcing them to create a meta-marketplace is ludacris.

making software resellable isnt ludacris,  its our good right as consumer to resell our stuff.



spemanig said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Yep it's great still being able to play older consoles rather than them just being a useless waste of space, long may it continue!

It wasn't too long ago that someone on here recommended Pokemon Snap to me and thanks to the used game market I was able to get a copy for my N64 even today


While that's a great point, that's an issue that will, for the most part, remain exclusive to those old consoles. I keep using Steam because it rings true - that platform will last indefinitely, and the games on it are there for the long run. There is no "out of print" to worry about, only being pulled off the market place, which is the exception rather than the rule.

In 20 years when people go back and play the PS4/XBO/Wii U, all those games will still be available on the market place, and for dirt cheap. Even now, I still can, and do, buy games from the PS3 digitally. There are games who's prices are preserved because of this. I plan on buying Peace Walker on PS3 digitally. I got Metroid Prime Trilogy, a game that used to run for like $200 physically, for $10 on the eshop. And that's all without having to scour game stores and ebay hoping someone has the game you want on the console you want in the condition you want for the price you want. You'll just buy the old system, look up the market place, and buy those games.

In a digital marketplace where there are no physical games, game preservation becomes easier and more streamlined, not more difficult.

you got MP3T because Nintendo decided to make it available. what about all the other elusive titles on the wii that arent available on the eShop? 

Lets consider a completely digital PS5. Do you expect every release on it from 2020 (hypothetical launch year) to say, 2040 to be available for download still? and what about after 2040? how do you get PS5 games? Does it just not matter anymore at that point?



generic-user-1 said:
spemanig said:
generic-user-1 said:

well maybe the EU will finaly enforce the used media laws and make us able to sell our used software, like theythreatend steam to enforce the law that makes us able to get a refund for digital media


Those are two completelty differnent things. One is a basic refund policy, and their solution is barely budging. Forcing them to create a meta-marketplace is ludacris.

making software resellable isnt ludacris,  its our good right as consumer to resell our stuff.

that is exactly right. i find it incredible that you still have consumers arguing against the ability to resell software.



There should be no used market!

When people move out of a house, the building should be demolished to protect the construction industry.

/sarcasm