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XanderXT on 16 September 2015
Teeqoz said:
XanderXT said:
Teeqoz said:
XanderXT said:


Are you seriously comparing Patcher to Collins? They aren't even close to being comparable! She's also not saying that the CEO did a bad job. He did what he was brought into do. How about you check the restructuring before this?

She's just saying that the company fell because of its restructuring, led by the new CEO... That totally doesn't imply that the CEO did a bad job with the restructuring...

When, firstly, it didn't fall because of the restructuring, it had already fallen, before the restructuring. The restructucturing brought them back up and made them an attracvtive company to buy. Being bought out is not neccesarily a failure, and in this case, when it led to a whole lot more cash in shareholder's pockets how in the world can she say it fell because of the restructuring? Lol

There are of course examples of companies that were ruined due to restructuring, but Scott Paper wasn't one of them....

Besides, you are sourcing Jim Collins, but you aren't giving me anything about Scott Paper that Jim Collins has said, and I can't find any quote where Jim Collins says the Scott Paper restructuring lead to its fall (which doesn't make any sense whatsoever regardless). One could argue that after having turned Scott Paper to a profitable company, it would've been better long term to continue as its own company, without being merged with Kimberly, but you can't really argue that restructuring led to Scott Paper's fall....

What she was saying was that the restructuring killed the company. It was supposed to kill the company. She just cited a bad example of a restructuring killing a company.. For the Jim Collins source, it was in How The Mighty Fall, or How Some Companies never give in.


Well, I've only been arguing that the Scott Paper restructuring didn't lead to its fall, contrary to what TheSonyGirl said.... I've not been arguing that restructures can't be horrible for a company, because they certainly can...

Aka, I pointed out how Scott Paper was a bad example, which you now also admit that it was, so I'm glad we could agree

Sony Girl isn't the best whe it comes to business. She just knows that because she borrowed a book from me because she needed it for a book report on buisness books. And she still hasn't returned it.



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The_Sony_Girl1 on 16 September 2015
Teeqoz said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
Teeqoz said:

Seems to me like he did a pretty good job...


"In his first nine months as CEO, Dunlap divested over $2 billion worth of assets. Scott’s share price rose from $37.35 to $84.62—an increase of 225 percent in 18 months. Scott reported a $200 million profit in 1994, compared to the net loss of $277 million recorded in 1993."

Source: the internet. Just because a corporation becomes smaller doesn't mean it becomes "worse".

My source is Jim Collins, a respected buisness analysist. Sorry if I trust him more than the internet.


Pachter is also a respected business analyst.

If you'd trust an analyst that says a CEO that made the share price increase of 225% in 18 months did a bad job, then you should revise who you trust. I'm pretty sure every single stakeholder in the company was pretty darn happy with his performance as a CEO.

I'm not saying he did a bad  job. I'm saying his restructuring killed the company.



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Teeqoz on 16 September 2015
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
Teeqoz said:

Pachter is also a respected business analyst.

If you'd trust an analyst that says a CEO that made the share price increase of 225% in 18 months did a bad job, then you should revise who you trust. I'm pretty sure every single stakeholder in the company was pretty darn happy with his performance as a CEO.

I'm not saying he did a bad  job. I'm saying his restructuring killed the company.


By which you mean?



The_Sony_Girl1 on 16 September 2015
Teeqoz said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
Teeqoz said:

Pachter is also a respected business analyst.

If you'd trust an analyst that says a CEO that made the share price increase of 225% in 18 months did a bad job, then you should revise who you trust. I'm pretty sure every single stakeholder in the company was pretty darn happy with his performance as a CEO.

I'm not saying he did a bad  job. I'm saying his restructuring killed the company.


By which you mean?

It basically died, and it's assests were given to Kimberly Clark, while another was spun-off.



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Teeqoz on 16 September 2015
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
Teeqoz said:


By which you mean?

It basically died, and it's assests were given to Kimberly Clark, while another was spun-off.


I'm sorry, but in my world, sold for ~7 billion dollars does not equate giving. Some other 2 billion dollars worth of assets were also sold to other companies. Not given. Sold.

 

But hey, if you consider selling to/merging with another company "giving" your assets to them, then I suppose you're right!



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Frogger on 16 September 2015
Miyamotoo said:

All above that I already mentioned and they will managed division more easier, also there is no really need to have separate divisions for game development especially now when Nintendo plan is unified platform for future.


Combining divisions doesn't make managing easier. If anything, it makes it more difficult, since one person is responsible for more projects. I don't think having one division has literally any effect on a unified platform. They are completely unrelated. The only thing combining divisions does is creates a more centralized focus there, which some may view as a bad thing.



The_Sony_Girl1 on 16 September 2015
Teeqoz said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
Teeqoz said:


By which you mean?

It basically died, and it's assests were given to Kimberly Clark, while another was spun-off.


I'm sorry, but in my world, sold for ~7 billion dollars does not equate giving. Some other 2 billion dollars worth of assets were also sold to other companies. Not given. Sold.

 

But hey, if you consider selling to/merging with another company "giving" your assets to them, then I suppose you're right!

You don't need to be so condescending you know. I'm not good at wording my sentences, I'm Mexican. But ok, maybe I'm wrong. Happy now?



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Teeqoz on 16 September 2015
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
Teeqoz said:

I'm sorry, but in my world, sold for ~7 billion dollars does not equate giving. Some other 2 billion dollars worth of assets were also sold to other companies. Not given. Sold.

 

But hey, if you consider selling to/merging with another company "giving" your assets to them, then I suppose you're right!

You don't need to be so condescending you know. I'm not good at wording my sentences, I'm Mexican. But ok, maybe I'm wrong. Happy now?


I just know a fellow stubborn bastard (or bastardess) if I see one

No offense meant throughout this  conversation, I see that my posts might have come across as a bit rude, sorry about that.



The_Sony_Girl1 on 18 September 2015
Teeqoz said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
Teeqoz said:

I'm sorry, but in my world, sold for ~7 billion dollars does not equate giving. Some other 2 billion dollars worth of assets were also sold to other companies. Not given. Sold.

 

But hey, if you consider selling to/merging with another company "giving" your assets to them, then I suppose you're right!

You don't need to be so condescending you know. I'm not good at wording my sentences, I'm Mexican. But ok, maybe I'm wrong. Happy now?


I just know a fellow stubborn bastard (or bastardess) if I see one

No offense meant throughout this  conversation, I see that my posts might have come across as a bit rude, sorry about that.

Nah, I forgive you. I just hate it when people are rude and don't say sorry.



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Me!