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DonFerrari on 13 September 2015
bunchanumbers said:
There used to be a mid tier of games that didn't have the AAA budget but were represented well in the PS2/Xbox/GCN era. I miss those games. Games like that don't happen often anymore. And even when they do, they are considered indies.


well between all the thousand of games on 7th gen there is certainly a pletora of mid-tier... we could discuss that perhaps there wasn't many good games made by mid-tier devs or that gamers didn't give them enough atention



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Eddie_Raja on 13 September 2015
archer9234 said:
Eddie_Raja said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
Sorry but you lost me within 1 minute into the video.

"why are graphics more important than gameplay and having fun"

- only argument made by those who cant accept a lot of the best looking games in the industry have fantastic gameplay and massive followings because they are fun more than anything else.

As for the good looking ones that dont have fun gameplay, they have a lower number of players.

There is no problem, its only one created by people who like games that dont compete on graphics with good looking games that have fun gameplay.


Thank you - hit the nail on the head!  TLoU, MGSV and so many more games play incredibly well.   Sorry they are also some of the best looking games of all time.

But that isn't what's in question. People are questioning the games that keep pushing graphics. But then have issues running on the hardware. Those are the ones pushing too far. And for no real good reason. It gets you hate. With the platform that it runs worse on. And for what? Since it doesn't work right now. There's no point. Make it run fine now. Then improve it in a port/remaster in the future.


All of the games I play run excellently.   That's why you don't buy the games that run like sh!t.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

Scisca on 13 September 2015

This video is terrible.

First of all, take a chill pill, you'll be easier to understand and won't spit so much.

Second, most of your arguments and questions raised in the video have an incredibly simple answer. Money. Developers went where the money was and made the type of games that people were buying. End of topic. If you can't understand this one simple notion, it's just your problem. You want to know where games with local multiplayer are? On the Wii U. And nobody cares about that console. Why should devs lose money and make games that people don't care about and don't buy?

Also... most problems and stuff you raise is so infantile at this point, has been talked about for years or actually doesn't exist and you're just making stuff up. Making an obviously false statement only to prove it being false doesn't make you a genious and won't impress anyone. I can tell you really haven't thought long about this topic and this video and you lack the basic knowledge on the topic. You make so many absurd assumptions that the only reason I watched the whole thing is because you're a VGC user.

And to your bitching argument - I haven't been exposed to this much aggressive bitching in years, if ever.
Damn, was this video annoying.



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

xl-klaudkil on 13 September 2015
Scisca said:
This video is terrible.

First of all, take a chill pill, you'll be easier to understand and won't spit so much.

Second, most of your arguments and questions raised in the video have an incredibly simple answer. Money. Developers went where the money was and made the type of games that people were buying. End of topic. If you can't understand this one simple notion, it's just your problem. You want to know where games with local multiplayer are? On the Wii U. And nobody cares about that console. Why should devs lose money and make games that people don't care about and don't buy?

Also... most problems and stuff you raise is so infantile at this point, has been talked about for years or actually doesn't exist and you're just making stuff up. Making an obviously false statement only to prove it being false doesn't make you a genious and won't impress anyone. I can tell you really haven't thought long about this topic and this video and you lack the basic knowledge on the topic. You make so many absurd assumptions that the only reason I watched the whole thing is because you're a VGC user.

And to your bitching argument - I haven't been exposed to this much aggressive bitching in years, if ever.
Damn, was this video annoying.

Thx for your feedback!

 

Soo tell me again wich statements are false and made up?

Quz ya know you seems to know more then me.



 

My youtube gaming page.

http://www.youtube.com/user/klaudkil

xl-klaudkil on 14 September 2015
Kyuu said:
DonFerrari said:
Kyuu said:


Well that's a very small number to judge a system on. What you're calling overrated is probably not the same thing the majority of people liked. The PS2 had about 3500 games if I remember right, hundreds of which very well recieved. The great majority of them you didn't experience.


I played around 150... and I believe the number is over 5k games total, don't think I lost too much great games, but there is certainly a possibility, but at 20 games that is very insipient to say the system is overrated. Maybe he really loves one of the other systems and them he downplay PS2.

I played about 200 games on PS2, owned just over 150 yet still missed a lot of its highly praised exclusives. I don't understand how anyone can call a console "highly overrated" without at least trying 1 third of the games that hyped the system in the first place. And I'm not talking big sellers.. the internet and core gamer community have far more respect toward games like Dark Cloud 2 than they do for, say, Call of Duty the Finest Hour!.. a game completely forgotten despite its higher sales.

 

Person A loved the PS2 because he/she greatly enjoyed more than 50 games on it.

Person B thinks Person A was "overhyping the PS2" because he/she didn't particularly like the 10 games they played even if these 10 games aren't the same ones that made Person A like the console. Hence this immediately invalidates the term "overrated" because the two had entirely different experiences.

Yea its realy weird how he can make that kind of  conclusion.

 

I think with such a game library being what? 2x bigger than ps1, 3,4x bigger than the ps3 and xbox360 cant be overrated.



 

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Guitarguy on 14 September 2015
DonFerrari said:
Guitarguy said:


Pretty much this. Sometimes I have to wait 20+ minutes just to download the newest patch for a game before I can play it in current gen. Moments like that make it feel like a PC instead of a console. That was one of the advantages a console used to have over PC, you just insert the disk/cartridge and you were good to go.

My greatest piss of is when I download a game and after it installs it asks to download and install patches... they can't even make the version on store the latest one, they preffer to just roll the patches for digital as if they were day one physical copies. Any day we will buy game of the year editions and will have to patch for day one patches and download all the DLCs that should be on it (I bought GoW collection and most of the games I had to download, so the box was basically one game and the rest was a voucher to dowload the other games).


I hear you 150%.

Dead to Rights(PS2) just came in the other day, had it up and running within 2 minutes, so good :)



xl-klaudkil on 14 September 2015
Guitarguy said:
DonFerrari said:

My greatest piss of is when I download a game and after it installs it asks to download and install patches... they can't even make the version on store the latest one, they preffer to just roll the patches for digital as if they were day one physical copies. Any day we will buy game of the year editions and will have to patch for day one patches and download all the DLCs that should be on it (I bought GoW collection and most of the games I had to download, so the box was basically one game and the rest was a voucher to dowload the other games).


I hear you 150%.

Dead to Rights(PS2) just came in the other day, had it up and running within 2 minutes, so good :)

Yea these good old plug and play days!

 

Game any good? Still need to get that one



 

My youtube gaming page.

http://www.youtube.com/user/klaudkil

Guitarguy on 14 September 2015
xl-klaudkil said:
Guitarguy said:


I hear you 150%.

Dead to Rights(PS2) just came in the other day, had it up and running within 2 minutes, so good :)

Yea these good old plug and play days!

 

Game any good? Still need to get that one

The game is awesome man. It has great cover mechanics for the year it was made and also has Max Payne style slow-motion if you choose to use it. Hard as nails just like most of the games of that era(before regenerating health and essentially unlimited ammo). Pick it up and play using component cables, cleans up really well on HD TV's.



DonFerrari on 14 September 2015
Guitarguy said:
DonFerrari said:

My greatest piss of is when I download a game and after it installs it asks to download and install patches... they can't even make the version on store the latest one, they preffer to just roll the patches for digital as if they were day one physical copies. Any day we will buy game of the year editions and will have to patch for day one patches and download all the DLCs that should be on it (I bought GoW collection and most of the games I had to download, so the box was basically one game and the rest was a voucher to dowload the other games).


I hear you 150%.

Dead to Rights(PS2) just came in the other day, had it up and running within 2 minutes, so good :)


I just bought some Genesis and Atari games and I'm certain that I'll be able to play them without hassle and have a bigger chance of having a working HW for them than for newer gens.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 14 September 2015
Kyuu said:
DonFerrari said:
Kyuu said:


Well that's a very small number to judge a system on. What you're calling overrated is probably not the same thing the majority of people liked. The PS2 had about 3500 games if I remember right, hundreds of which very well recieved. The great majority of them you didn't experience.


I played around 150... and I believe the number is over 5k games total, don't think I lost too much great games, but there is certainly a possibility, but at 20 games that is very insipient to say the system is overrated. Maybe he really loves one of the other systems and them he downplay PS2.

I played about 200 games on PS2, owned just over 150 yet still missed a lot of its highly praised exclusives. I don't understand how anyone can call a console "highly overrated" without at least trying 1 third of the games that hyped the system in the first place. And I'm not talking big sellers.. the internet and core gamer community have far more respect toward games like Dark Cloud 2 than they do for, say, Call of Duty the Finest Hour!.. a game completely forgotten despite its higher sales.

 

Person A loved the PS2 because he/she greatly enjoyed more than 50 games on it.

Person B thinks Person A was "overhyping the PS2" because he/she didn't particularly like the 10 games they played even if these 10 games aren't the same ones that made Person A like the console. Hence this immediately invalidates the term "overrated" because the two had entirely different experiences.

And we could imagine that is possible that the 10 games are annual franchises or could even be 10 Fifas...

Like someone hear complained about games on PS1 (like just a few N64 were good, and almost all other were bad)... But Soul Reaver for me is great, even bought it again on PS3 and still loved it. And if I wasn't filled with games on PS4 and PS3 I would have a lot of games I would go back to on PS1 and 2.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."