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Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Looks like old Uncle Sam will have to go in and try to give the mid-east democracy again. The Europeans, Chinese, US, and Japan should form a coalition and go into Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Egypt and stabilize things. I don't care how they do it just stop ISIS from spreading.

yeah, well THATS A FUCKN STUPID IDEA. iran IS stable and the only country in the middle east that is stabilizing the surrenounding countrys.

syria WAS stable till the Us invented ISIS and i dont remember why iraq is in such a bad condition but im pretty sure it was the us of As fault too.

egypt is stabilizing again after some idiot helped the islamists to take power for a year...

and all those countrys are battlegrounds, not the cause of the problem, if the region realy should be better of after a war, the west should go to war with the golf arabs and take away all the oil money and finance education and healthcare in the middleeast with the moneyz.

ohh and drone the shit out of the house saud.

 

it would be alot easyer just to not play by the rules and threaten the whole middle east with nuking mecca if they dont get their shit together.



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Michelasso said:
I think this is what it happens when a couple of criminals go to war falsely accusing a Country of having weapons of mass destruction, destabilizing a whole area.

This.

OT: Sweden receive the most yearly per capita and we can easily increase. Other countries should follow suit.



Saeko said:
I am from switzerland, i don't care if they accept to live like we do, i just don't want radical muslim around, but i don't see any problem to help people who have need !


And here's the winning post.

No one has to assimilate shit. Just don't kill people and you're good. "Living as the Roman's do" is how diversity in culture dies.



spemanig said:
Saeko said:
I am from switzerland, i don't care if they accept to live like we do, i just don't want radical muslim around, but i don't see any problem to help people who have need !


And here's the winning post.

No one has to assimilate shit. Just don't kill people and you're good. "Living as the Roman's do" is how diversity in culture dies.

hm i dont think europe needs modern middleeastern culture in anyway or form.  their culture is the reason for the refugees, so maybe assimilating isnt the worst idea...



Lawlight said:
Burek said:
I am from Croatia, and even though we are not on their direct route, we are expecting some refugees, and are ready to assist them as much as we can.
These unfortunate people are just trying to find peace and happiness some place, and not having to worry about getting killed any minute. Most of them are decent, hard working people, and have a goid chance to become useful members of society.

I need to add that Croatia has a decent sized Muslim population, and my city has a huge Muslim community. And we have never had any problems with them, as they are all nice and civilized people who are no different than any other person except in name.
And be sure, those people are not terrorists, they would not be drowning and dying, terrorists come to Europe on airplanes and in cars.

These poor people need all our help, and I am ready to help them myself as much as possible.


Sorry, you're wrong. Croatia has a very minuscule Muslim population - 1.47%. If it was any bigger they'd be claiming for Sharia law. And wasn't it this year that Muslims caused trouble because of a theatre performance in your country?

Those poor people need to be screened to make sure they're not criminals.

Sorry, but you are wrong to call me wrong from your couch surfing wikipedia wherever you are since you hid your profile.

The very fact is that many Muslims are well integrated into society and are perhaps not even religious to declare as such, and that many of them declare themselves as Croats. My city has about 8-10% of Muslims, and they are exactly the same as any other person. To even imply that they would even consider Sharia law if they reached a certain percentage is naive, stupid and insulting to them and to our entire society.

As for the theatrical performance, it was not the Muslims complaining at all. It was a show in my city, and Croats including myself protested that the County was supposed to give €100.000 (it's a public theater event) to put on the play written by a declared racist and chauvinist (Houllebecq). We did not want to financially support such people, just as we wouldn't support any hatred towards any other color, culture, creed or religion. The play itself had nothing to do with religion at all, it was just the playwright that was unacceptable.

Theater found funding elsewhere, the plays were shown, nothing happened because nothing was ever going to happen anyway. (Oh, and the play sucked after all).

And of course those people need to be screened to see if they are criminals, but that's nothing different than is done today where at the border crossings customs officials screen Swiss, Norwegian Japanese, American or Peruvian tourists to see whether they are criminals.



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pearljammer said:
Being from Canada, I'm a bit out of touch here - so take what I say as having as little validity to it as you wish. I think we should be taking in as many as we can regardless of any economic burden. Everyone. My only condition would be so long as Sharia does not trump the laws of their refuge.

 

I'm french, and unfortunately I have to disagree. We already have problems with legal immigration because of a really difficult integration. The economy is bad here, with a lot of unemployment, and it's even harder for migrants or foreigners. They can't get a job, so they can't get a place to live other than poor districts, and the result is almost foreign cities within cities. They're not really integrated in the country, and neither are their children, and a lot of them don't consider themselves french, and have no reason to do so. They're not dying or anything, of course, but they don't live in good conditions at all and can't hope for anything more for most of them. 

 

For illegal immigrants (like gypsies), it's worse, some of them live in slums and have to steal or beg, usually "employed" by mafia groups (for example to reimburse the travel). These camps barely have water, no electricity, and are frequently fed by associations to survive. The government is trying to destroy the slums, because they are a sanitary risk for the population. 

 

It's useless to say "Come, come, you're welcomed here", if the result is a slum with almost worse living conditions than an UN refugees camp in the middle  of nowhere. It's not worth the risk of crossing the sea, and we could easily build camps with better conditions in other countries closer to the countries at war (so, without the deadly travel). 

 

EDIT : Of course, some immigrants have no problem at all with immigration, especially if they have a degree in something useful, but that's not possible for everyone. 



generic-user-1 said:

hm i dont think europe needs modern middleeastern culture in anyway or form.  their culture is the reason for the refugees, so maybe assimilating isnt the worst idea...


The culture isn't the reason for the refugees. The freedom is. Let's not get that confused.



forest-spirit said:
These people aren't coming here for a vacation or because they "felt like it", they're fleeing from war, terror, extremism, oppression, etc. They're leaving their whole lives behind for a dangerous, in many cases fatal, journey into unfamiliar lands, with no other personal properties except for what they could fit into a backpack. Access to clean water, food, medicine, means to take care of personal hygiene, etc. is in no way guaranteed. Some are old, crippled, sick; some are parents dragging their children along to hopefully find a safe place for them to live in, fully knowing that the children might get lost or die along the way; some are young ones desperately doing what they can to not let go of the hand that leads them.
I feel for these people and I want the European nations to do as much as possible for them.

It's not an optimal situation by any means and I'm sure most would agree (both Europeans and refugees) that it would be better if they could just continue to live their lives in their own countries. But with the current situation in the Middle-East that's just not possible and because of that we have these massive waves of refugees pouring into Europe. They have nowhere else to go. We can't really expect them to drop dead or vanish into thin air, can we? So what else can we do but to let them into Europe and make the best out of the situation.

Very well written. We need to help these people in any way we can.



Faelco said:
pearljammer said:
Being from Canada, I'm a bit out of touch here - so take what I say as having as little validity to it as you wish. I think we should be taking in as many as we can regardless of any economic burden. Everyone. My only condition would be so long as Sharia does not trump the laws of their refuge.

 

I'm french, and unfortunately I have to disagree. We already have problems with legal immigration because of a really difficult integration. The economy is bad here, with a lot of unemployment, and it's even harder for migrants or foreigners. They can't get a job, so they can't get a place to live other than poor districts, and the result is almost foreign cities within cities. They're not really integrated in the country, and neither are their children, and a lot of them don't consider themselves french, and have no reason to do so. They're not dying or anything, of course, but they don't live in good conditions at all and can't hope for anything more for most of them. 

 

For illegal immigrants (like gypsies), it's worse, some of them live in slums and have to steal or beg, usually "employed" by mafia groups (for example to reimburse the travel). These camps barely have water, no electricity, and are frequently fed by associations to survive. The government is trying to destroy the slums, because they are a sanitary risk for the population. 

 

It's useless to say "Come, come, you're welcomed here", if the result is a slum with almost worse living conditions than an UN refugees camp in the middle  of nowhere. It's not worth the risk of crossing the sea, and we could easily build camps with better conditions in other countries closer to the countries at war (so, without the deadly travel). 

I'm partially ignorant to your countries woes and troubles. I admit that fully. I cannot with any degree of confidence fully contest anything you said. I also sympathize with your position and would argue that you're rightly grounded in having it.

However, these people are obviously going for a reason, whether they're imperiled, refused elsewhere or even given the impression (perhaps falsely) that  these are safe, caring places to go. There is no choice for them. For me the value human lives far outweigh even the conditions their given and the inconveniences it provides oithers (with some caveats).



Burek said:
Lawlight said:


Sorry, you're wrong. Croatia has a very minuscule Muslim population - 1.47%. If it was any bigger they'd be claiming for Sharia law. And wasn't it this year that Muslims caused trouble because of a theatre performance in your country?

Those poor people need to be screened to make sure they're not criminals.

Sorry, but you are wrong to call me wrong from your couch surfing wikipedia wherever you are since you hid your profile.

The very fact is that many Muslims are well integrated into society and are perhaps not even religious to declare as such, and that many of them declare themselves as Croats. My city has about 8-10% of Muslims, and they are exactly the same as any other person. To even imply that they would even consider Sharia law if they reached a certain percentage is naive, stupid and insulting to them and to our entire society.

As for the theatrical performance, it was not the Muslims complaining at all. It was a show in my city, and Croats including myself protested that the County was supposed to give €100.000 (it's a public theater event) to put on the play written by a declared racist and chauvinist (Houllebecq). We did not want to financially support such people, just as we wouldn't support any hatred towards any other color, culture, creed or religion. The play itself had nothing to do with religion at all, it was just the playwright that was unacceptable.

Theater found funding elsewhere, the plays were shown, nothing happened because nothing was ever going to happen anyway. (Oh, and the play sucked after all).

And of course those people need to be screened to see if they are criminals, but that's nothing different than is done today where at the border crossings customs officials screen Swiss, Norwegian Japanese, American or Peruvian tourists to see whether they are criminals.

 

Based on the first post, you should have deduced that I'm in Australia. A country where the Australia Federation of Muslim Council has been asking for the Sharia Law so you're just showing your ignorance, naïveté and bias.

As for the for theatre performance, it was cancelled because some savages cannot handle freedom of expression in the form of art. Do people riot when Jesus is caricaturised in Croatia? I call BS on people complaining about the playwright. The motives aren't dissimilar from what happened at Charlie Hebdo - harm to those who "insult" Islam.