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Should Someone's Religious Beliefs Circumvent Another's Legal Rights

Yes 47 14.33%
 
No 251 76.52%
 
See Results 30 9.15%
 
Total:328

Update: Gay Couple Gets Marriage License From Kim Davis Deputy

MOREHEAD, Ky. — A same-sex couple received a marriage license here on Friday, the first such couple to get one a day after the county clerk, Kim Davis, was jailed by a federal judge for refusing court orders to issue the licenses.

The couple, James Yates, 41, and William Smith, Jr., 33, entered the Rowan County Courthouse shortly after it opened, walking through throngs of protesters. Supporters of Ms. Davis yelled Bible passages and held up signs, including one briefly held up by Ms. Davis’s husband, Joe Davis, that read, “Welcome to Sodom and Gomorrah.”

On Thursday, Ms. Davis, who has become a symbol of religious opposition to same-sex marriage, was jailed for contempt after defying a federal court order to issue licenses to gay couples. She later rejected a proposal to allow her deputies to grant the licenses, which could have led to her release.

After one of Ms. Davis’s lawyers told a federal court on Thursday that she would not retreat from her stand Judge David L. Bunning secured commitments from five of Ms. Davis’s deputies to begin giving out the licenses.

more after the jump:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/05/us/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage.html?_r=0



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CosmicSex said:

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The couple, James Yates, 41, and William Smith, Jr., 33, entered the Rowan County Courthouse shortly after it opened, walking through throngs of protesters. Supporters of Ms. Davis yelled Bible passages and held up signs, including one briefly held up by Ms. Davis’s husband, Joe Davis, that read, “Welcome to Sodom and Gomorrah.”

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LOL



CosmicSex said:
Update: Gay Couple Gets Marriage License From Kim Davis Deputy

MOREHEAD, Ky. — A same-sex couple received a marriage license here on Friday, the first such couple to get one a day after the county clerk, Kim Davis, was jailed by a federal judge for refusing court orders to issue the licenses.

The couple, James Yates, 41, and William Smith, Jr., 33, entered the Rowan County Courthouse shortly after it opened, walking through throngs of protesters. Supporters of Ms. Davis yelled Bible passages and held up signs, including one briefly held up by Ms. Davis’s husband, Joe Davis, that read, “Welcome to Sodom and Gomorrah.”

On Thursday, Ms. Davis, who has become a symbol of religious opposition to same-sex marriage, was jailed for contempt after defying a federal court order to issue licenses to gay couples. She later rejected a proposal to allow her deputies to grant the licenses, which could have led to her release.

After one of Ms. Davis’s lawyers told a federal court on Thursday that she would not retreat from her stand Judge David L. Bunning secured commitments from five of Ms. Davis’s deputies to begin giving out the licenses.

more after the jump:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/05/us/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage.html?_r=0


My favorite part of the article is the quote from her husband: “She has done her job,” he said. “Just because five Supreme Court judges make a ruling, it’s not a law.”

Actually, that is exactly what makes it law...



Neodegenerate said:

My favorite part of the article is the quote from her husband: She has done her job,” he said. “Just because five Supreme Court judges make a ruling, it’s not a law.”

Actually, that is exactly what makes it law...


Well, actually on a more basic level:  she quite literally wasn't doing her job.   What does he think her job is?



CosmicSex said:
Neodegenerate said:

My favorite part of the article is the quote from her husband: She has done her job,” he said. “Just because five Supreme Court judges make a ruling, it’s not a law.”

Actually, that is exactly what makes it law...


Well, actually on a more basic level:  she quite literally wasn't doing her job.   What does he think her job is?

This is true as well.



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supafly said:
Good for her. Need more people like that. The 'progressive' liberals will not stop until the entire US is a decadent socialist ghetto.


you cant be progressive and liberal, liberalism and socialism are very close, both are for a classless society with free speech(atleast modern eurpean socialism not stalinism). liberals have just no clue about how a socitey and economy works, their believe in the allmyghty market is the only big difference.    progessivsm on the other hand is just another branch of fascism, against free speech and for a class society were you are judged by your parentsclass and not by own doings.





CosmicSex said:

so well stated.

there is no "war on christianity" as some like to say.  some christians are warring on american in attempt to destroy our fundamental principles: everyone is treated equally in their pursuit of happiness. 



bouzane said:
supafly said:
Good for her. Need more people like that. The 'progressive' liberals will not stop until the entire US is a decadent socialist ghetto.


You know your ideology is pathetic when a law breaking three times divorced adulterer is a role model. If that's not decadence what is excactly? Being a four times divorced adulterer with six kids born out of wedlock? The double standards are hilarious and they make you look like a fool.

I also love how the religious values she pretends to uphold don't even allow women to hold positions of authority in the first place. It's funny how people only follow what is convinient for themselves while ignoring the rest. Oh well, it only makes ignoring the whole thing so much easier for me. When "Christians" don't give a damn about Biblical law and refuse to apply it to their own lives that makes a mockery out of it all. Lead by example or don't bother taking a stand in the first place.

Now tell me more about how those evil "progressive liberals" are ruining America, a nation founded and shaped by liberals and progressives. Your hyperbolic rhetoric is so asinine it is mind blowing. Let me ask you something. Do you currently live in a liberal democracy, enjoying the rights and freedoms secured for you by these ideologies?


I enjoy the right and freedoms employed by the founding fathers. Who, guess what, weren't liberals. They may have been "liberals" by 18th century standards by only wanting independance (or in whatever way the liberals try to twist it), but in fact are, morally, and politically conservative. Do you really think they would support crushing infants skulls in utero and pull out limb by limb (and have tax payers forced to fund it)? Support gay marriage (and force religious to support it)? Support socialistic programs like Obamacare? Banning firearms (how well is that working for Chicago or any other city with banned firearms)? Didn't think so. When you look at "liberal ideologies" they all filter to one thing: "give us some of your money". They try to get support through attempted infantile name calling and hurling insults at anyone who doesn't agree with them (like how you throw a fit in your post and can't contain your insults when I think different than you). See also "bigots" "homophobes" "racists" ect. But that's the secondary tactic when compared to playing "Oh woe is me the victim" psychology. Liberals are nothing but people who want to mooch off successful people by entitlements and use the gov't go give it to them. They are entitled to another man's hard earned payroll. I've NEVER met a successful, hard working, intelligent person claim they were liberal. Liberals are the most UNamerican, immoral people in this country. They are domestic enemies.

Speaking of double standards, what about those in your own post? You bash christianity and religion, yet want to force churches and religious small businesses to perform or support an irreligious union. Most liberals harp on seperation of Church and State, but want to have the gov't force them to perform gay marriage. Acceptance? Tolerance? 

Liberals aren't "securing rights and freedoms", Liberals are destroying liberties and freedoms, bit by bit. But they are too narrow minded to know what they are doing as sheep of liberal media. And they won't stop until the US is a socialistic slum. I don't live in a "Liberal Democracy". I live in a Representative Democracy.

I commented on what the woman is doing now. I don't know her, or her situation with her sex life. I commented on what this thread is about, so please leave out the useless ad hominems. 



supafly said:
bouzane said:


You know your ideology is pathetic when a law breaking three times divorced adulterer is a role model. If that's not decadence what is excactly? Being a four times divorced adulterer with six kids born out of wedlock? The double standards are hilarious and they make you look like a fool.

I also love how the religious values she pretends to uphold don't even allow women to hold positions of authority in the first place. It's funny how people only follow what is convinient for themselves while ignoring the rest. Oh well, it only makes ignoring the whole thing so much easier for me. When "Christians" don't give a damn about Biblical law and refuse to apply it to their own lives that makes a mockery out of it all. Lead by example or don't bother taking a stand in the first place.

Now tell me more about how those evil "progressive liberals" are ruining America, a nation founded and shaped by liberals and progressives. Your hyperbolic rhetoric is so asinine it is mind blowing. Let me ask you something. Do you currently live in a liberal democracy, enjoying the rights and freedoms secured for you by these ideologies?


I enjoy the right and freedoms employed by the founding fathers. Who, guess what, weren't liberals. They may have been "liberals" by 18th century standards by only wanting independance (or in whatever way the liberals try to twist it), but in fact are, morally, and politically conservative. Do you really think they would support killing infants in utero (and have tax payers forced to fund it)? Support gay marriage (and force religious to support it)? Support socialistic programs like Obamacare? Banning firearms (how well is that working for Chicago or any other city with banned firearms)? Didn't think so. When you look at "liberal ideologies" they all filter to one thing: "give us some of your money". They try to get support through attempted infantile name calling and hurling insults at anyone who doesn't agree with them (like how you throw a fit in your post and can't contain your insults when I think different than you). See also "bigots" "homophobes" "racists" ect. But that's the secondary tactic when compared to playing "Oh woe is me the victim" psychology. Liberals are nothing but people who want to mooch off successful people by entitlements and use the gov't go give it to them. They are entitled to another man's hard earned payroll. I've NEVER met a successful, hard working, intelligent person claim they were liberal. Liberals are the most UNamerican, immoral people in this country. They are domestic enemies.

Speaking of double standards, what about those in your own post? You bash christianity and religion, yet want to force churches and religious small businesses to perform or support an irreligious union. Most liberals harp on seperation of Church and State, but want to have the gov't force them to perform gay marriage. Acceptance? Tolerance? 

Liberals aren't "securing rights and freedoms", Liberals are destroying liberties and freedoms, bit by bit. But they are too narrow minded to know what they are doing as sheep of liberal media. And they won't stop until the US is a socialistic slum. I don't live in a "Liberal Democracy". I live in a Representative Democracy.

I commented on what the woman is doing now. I don't know her, or her situation with her sex life. I commented on what this thread is about, so please leave out the useless ad hominems. 

Wow, lay off the faux news.