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I think the religions should be taxed just like anything else. After that I see no reason to regulate them beyond watching for cultish behavior which I believe is already done.



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spurgeonryan said:

1. Taxes - how much do governments lose to religion?

 

Is someone jealous? 

 

Don't worry . Whatever the goverment is losing to religion doesn't affect you at all



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An amazing thread as always Spurgeon.

OP: No.



The problem with religion is that its adherents are human.



spurgeonryan said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Doesn't the constitution forbid that?


It also allows sale of automatic weapons and allows everyone to walk around with life ending guns.

 

This question is aimed at World wide though, not just backwards America...


Fully automatic rifles have been banned in the US since the 90's.  Semi-automatic   Also, life ending guns?  Is that supposed to instill fear?  Of course guns end lives.  For example, they will end the lives of home invaders in the event of house invasions.  But of course, we should all just wait for police right?  Also, they end the lives of crop destroying pests https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89UliEiQQyU for instance.

It's all about context really.  A just people don't need to have freedoms taken away but I guess religious and self-defense rights end where your feeling of security begins.



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Religion has lost most of its "real" power to opress people the West and the West is much better off because of it, it's why the standard of living in the West and countries like Japan is so much better.

To make an analogy religion in the West and developed countries like Japan is like a dog that has been neutered and had its teeth removed. Not so scary and really doesn't have any bite. So in the West and countries like Japan, I don't think regulation is neccessary. 

Unfortunately the Middle East and Africa is not the same thing.

It's fine to have religion, but it should be kept out politics and running a country, all the countries that are conservative religious states are disasters.

You can't run a modern country using ideology from the stone age written by goat herders.



spurgeonryan said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Doesn't the constitution forbid that?


It also allows sale of automatic weapons and allows everyone to walk around with life ending guns.

 

This question is aimed at World wide though, not just backwards America...

I'm only speaking for America as I don't live in those other countries around the world. But the seperation of government and religion seems to make the most sense WW. 



Puppyroach said:

OP: Do you mean regulation of religion or that religion should have no influence over politics? Because a sorry should never be allowed to regulate thought or belief but the government should have connection at all with religious organizations. Let them be treated as any other organization.

For example: If you get married in church, it should not be recognized as a marriage on a governmental level, but only as a private matter between two individuals. The only valid marriages should be those conducted by the government.


That is just stupid.

The church or the people getting married have to fill out the relevant government paper work anyway. It is no different that doing the paper work and getting an elvis impersonator  marry you in las vegas.

They are both government weddings. The only difference is that with a church one you get a free bonus God DLC.

 



 

 

spurgeonryan said:

Not only do many religious oranization teach many facts that have proven to be false or theories that greatly hold back society, but there are many other problems organized religion brings up too.

 

1. Taxes - how much do governments lose to religion?

2. Cults should not be allowed to get as bad as some do.

3. Religious extremist - causing wars, terrorism, hate crimes, etc

4. Intolerance - how many more humans needs to suffer due to religious "morals"?

In this day and age I just do not think there is room for religion anymore. As a hobby it is fine, but there are so many things wrong with religion that it should not be allowed the power it has over society anymore.

 

Agree?

Ultimately the solution is not regulation, the solution is education and toleration. Religion is not a "hobby," it is an organization centered around a belief/beliefs. Of course there will always be those extremists in such organization that commit crime in the name of their belief, but this is no different than say an extreme feminist harrassing a male in the name of feminism. The best thing to do is to educate people. Have classes centered around religions and their beliefs, not to prove them wrong, but to have people accept different viewpoints on life and become tolerant of others.



midrange said:
spurgeonryan said:

Not only do many religious oranization teach many facts that have proven to be false or theories that greatly hold back society, but there are many other problems organized religion brings up too.

 

1. Taxes - how much do governments lose to religion?

2. Cults should not be allowed to get as bad as some do.

3. Religious extremist - causing wars, terrorism, hate crimes, etc

4. Intolerance - how many more humans needs to suffer due to religious "morals"?

In this day and age I just do not think there is room for religion anymore. As a hobby it is fine, but there are so many things wrong with religion that it should not be allowed the power it has over society anymore.

 

Agree?

Ultimately the solution is not regulation, the solution is education and toleration. Religion is not a "hobby," it is an organization centered around a belief/beliefs. Of course there will always be those extremists in such organization that commit crime in the name of their belief, but this is no different than say an extreme feminist harrassing a male in the name of feminism. The best thing to do is to educate people. Have classes centered around religions and their beliefs, not to prove them wrong, but to have people accept different viewpoints on life and become tolerant of others.


It is different because we socially and federally grand religions privelages that feminists don't have. 

And we do not have to spend money on classes, nor do we have to accept any viewpoint not founded on reason and evidence, particularly when such viewpoints often have ideas that are detrimental to peaceful coexistence.  For instance, the idea that everyone who does not share your views is hellbound is an idea that is directly opposed to peaceful coexistence.  The idea that there is a book that contains absolutely true is directly opposed to reason.  There is no reason to accept this.  We should use all civil and lawful methods to dissuade people of these beliefs.