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Can Nintendo produce a relevant home console again

Yes, each console with Ni... 226 43.88%
 
Perhaps, console gens hav... 126 24.47%
 
Probably not, especially ... 82 15.92%
 
Nope 44 8.54%
 
Not a single chance in hell 37 7.18%
 
Total:515

While not a fantastic system, WiiU is more relevant than XboxOne imo. The question is : can they keep up with Sony and MS and win back the core gamers at large? Very difficult to answer atm. Depends on whether the 3rd parties are on board again, some like SquareEnix, Bamco and KT seem definitely too busy making PS4 games to allocate time and resources to NX. Capcom seems to side with Sony on the home departement and western publishers deeply distrust Nintendo. Also, NX needs to be as powerful as PS4, with a solid online & social infrastructure and I'm not sure Nintendo is willing to take the cost of that.



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nintendo currently doesnt care about relevance in the market as much as they care about being "different". they are completely out of touch with the market and the WiiU shows exactly that. without a serious shake up in the companies culture and future direction i doubt they can be relevant again in the console market. though this is Nintendo after all, so saying it certainly wont ever happen would be foolish. however, with how things are going, i just dont see it.



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Nintyfan90 said:


I understand what you are saying but I think you are being too complacent(if thats the word im looking for lol). I dont think Ninty truly wants to abandon home consoles. They just arent interested in going head to head with the others, its expensive and the market isnt very large to begin with. Ninty would love to pull another DS & Wii gen, it just takes alot of resources because both required libaries. No other company has to support two plats at the same time. Iwata was saying some interesting things besides the unified plat hints. He has also said it seems a truly unique piece of software can truly launch a platform. He used Mario for NES, Pokemon for Gameboy, Brainage/Nintendogs for DS, and WiiSports for Wii. I think thats truly what NX is for, making it easier to pump out blue ocean games while still supporting both markets(handheld and home). What difference will it make anyways, Ninty supports both plats with the same franchises already. Their not abandoning the home console market because it would place a limitation on their creativity (Wii/Kinect isnt possible on a portable for example).

 

They'll never pull a Wii/DS generation again (not in that way). Motion gaming is old hat, and Nintendo doesn't have some monopoly over it, if it started to get popular again, MS and Sony are not stupid, they would copy it very quickly this time and offer similar experiences on top of having the better third party support and larger game library. It wouldn't take much for Sony to simply re-add the Move controller back into the PS4 for example and make a knock of Wii Sports again, but this time Nintendo wouldn't have a 4 year window where they basically hold a monopoly on the idea like the Wii did. Sony/MS have learned from their mistakes that gen, some earth shaking controller that brings in lots of consumers would be copied very quickly (much like the N64 analog stick was).

Having wildly different control inputs on unified platform kind of defeats the point too. It would be like making a big time app but it only works on the iPad and not the iPhone because of some input thing ... not too many devs would want to do that. 

Beyond that, I think Nintendo/Sony/MS have all lost that casual audience. In 2004-2006 there was nothing for casuals to play, today they all have smartphones with hundreds of free/$1 games in their pocket all day long, and those games are all mostly simple, very easy to pick up and play with no buttons required. None of them want to play Wiimote or Kinect games anymore, Apple/Google offer a more vibrant, exciting ecosystem that's constantly adding content, is more convienant (phone is always with you), and the games are free in most cases ... can't really compete with that. Quite honestly these casual games on phones have bigger marketing campaigns than any Nintendo game too, I've seen about 50 million Game of War and Boom Beach ads it feels like in the last year. 

Whats the point of debating with you if you truly believe the only new idea Ninty can come up with is another Wii remote? Ill leave the new experiences to Ninty lol not some nobody on the internet. Ninty will never pull a new Wii/DS? We're talking about a corporation that will probably be around for a very long time.



Most likely, no.

There is the off chance that Nintendo releases a cross market device that extends outside of their core market, but the company's success hardly hinges upon unexpected bullseyes like the Wii.

They haven't been competing directly with MS or SCE since the GC and the notion that Nintendo can release another console that will go head to head with a directly competing product as the main console platform of a generation is a borderline fantasy at best.

But if the question is whether Nintendo can release a console that won't win over the core console market but will create another expanded market, one would be counting on the company releasing a product that is of minimal to greatly reduced interest to the core gaming market. Is that what Nintendo supporters really want from the company?

But if by relevance, one means will Nintendo release a console that will continue to generate profits for the company, thus insuring its continued existence as a platform for its own franchises/IPs, then yes; absolutely.



Of course they CAN...however that doesn't mean it WILL...and most likely WON'T...



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If we look at the last two Nintendo console's that had any real marketplace success we find the Wii and N64 (particularily in North America early on sold huge numbers). 

But if look at what caused the success of those two consoles, we find breakout hits bringing in a wider audience than Nintendo would have otherwise:

GoldenEye brought in lots of non-Mario fans and kept the system afloat for pretty much like a year until Nintendo could get Zelda:OoT finished. 

On Wii ...

Wii Sports was actually largely driven by college age-adult age gamers. 

Both games are successfully in part because they are not so overly cartoony/over-mascot-ized to turn off adults. Wii Sports would not have the same appeal if it was "Mario Sports" instead. 

And GoldenEye would not have the same appeal if it was "Mario Paintball Shooter" either. 

Games like Bayonetta, Devil's Third, Xenoblade, are too hardcore/niche and don't invoke what people really like about Nintendo games (easy to pick up and play, multiplayer oriented), but people don't want mascots in every game and this is a problem for Nintendo. So they are not the answer either. Even Nintendo Land got this wrong ... went too cartoony/child-like in presentation. 

Mario is like a nice colonge, it's fine to use it, but if you douse yourself in a colonge, even one that smells nice, it's going to be a turn off to people. 

Nintendo needs to find new IP that connect/resonate with adult/teenage gamers in the way GoldenEye and Wii Sports did (two very different games). Until they do that, they will be stuck selling to basically the same crowd of "Nintendo Lifers", which is only 10-15 million strong and a small portion of the kids market (kids like any type of video game, so Playstation or XBox is just as appealling to them as Nintendo is). If that's your audience, you simply will not have a successful home console. 



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They have the cash, so they sure can.



There is always a chance. I'm sure they know what they will have to do. Now if you are meaning outselling the Playstation of that gen, well that might be a different story, but again, it's hard to say. If the NX is indeed a hybrid/fusion or whatever you want to call it system, they have a very good chance. Nintendo has never been irrelevant, but some consoles have certainly been over looked. They will need better backing from thirds and have a comparable system tech wise because that seems to be what consumers want, among other things. If many of the rumors and such are true, it actually looks like they are heading that way.
Every Zelda game is relevant, as is every game with Mario and Pokemon. How relevant can be argued, but every time these come out they are always compared to the widest array of games and tend to be very high quality so they get noticed. Even if they are on a system that is being over looked it brings that system up a notch in being noteworthy.



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