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Hiku said:

First of all, "I have a feeling" ≠ true. It's your speculation. What's true is that different reviewers have different taste.
Secondly, I've done nothing but express the flaws of the review score system and why I don't think it's good to rely on scores and Metacritic since I first joined this site, including in this very topic, so I certainly don't fall under your category of people who would get annoyed because of that, as I've never expressed disappointment in any review score ever, and never will. But the fact that you try to drag me into it as well only further shows that you're more interested in trying to discredit others for belonging to a different fanbase, than sharing your opinion on the subject at hand.
I can get annoyed seeing spam and unproductive posts as well. Doesn't have to relate to me specifically, other than the fact that I'm participating in this discussion and would like to read meaningful posts.
But yours is not only a mudslinging attempt at certain individuals based on nothing but your own speculations, because they belong to a different fanbase, but also ignoring the fact that reviewers do have different opinions. That's why I found it annoying to see in this case. I'm fine with seeing mudslinging posts if it's warranted. If you had proof and could call someone out on it with a link or two, that would be great. But this only comes off as petty and paranoid. Because whether you believe that these people would change their minds if the situation was reversed or not, their point is still accurate, and you only have unwarranted suspicions.

As for your suggestion about assigning the same reviewer, you're another example of people who take review scores way too seriously if that's your suggestion. And you also have to realise that when an editor assigns a different reviewer to a different version of a game, they have a reason for doing so. One that is more important than catering to certain people's insecurities about the importance of review score accuracies. Such as the reviewer in question no longer working there, or having been assigned to a different part of the company. Maternity leave. Vacation. Or they don't want to waste time playing the same game again when they're more interested in reviewing a different game, and a new recruit is a bigger fan of the FPS Zombie franchise. Or the original reviewer was critisized for the first review, so they listened to the feedback and gave the readers a review from a fresh. Reading two different perspectives is usually better than reading only one, etc. There are a lot more reasons that can be mentioned for why the same reviewer may not be preferred for a second review, or even able to do it. But more importantly is that a lot of people need to stop obsessing about these things. Instead of focusing on the score, look at the context of the review. A review that gave a game a 7/10 can sound more appealing to you than a review that gave it a 9/10.


Rattled are you, my post is an observation much like how I've observed you're rattled that you can't even read the post you're replying to, I never said they should put the same reviewer I said they should either assign someone familer with the prior versions or at least have the reviewer get acquainted with the prior version so they can give buyers how well the new version holds up and whether it's worth a try for those new to it and so on, that's what a review is meant to do after give the consumer a full overview of the product. This is a productive view and one you failed to and can't really argue against.

Right now you've possibly exposed yourself as one of the mob I'm talking about, you've just posted nothing but a typical keyboard commando response, it's not the fanbase because I'm in the fanbase of PS4/X1/PC/Wii U, I talking specifically about certain individuals across the board who I suspect you yourself maybe one as ironically your own post is similar to a paranoid defensive response. Feel free to lose sleep over it, all the better.



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zippy said:

So on reading an IGN review of Zombi, it scores 7.5. Good score, however the same site gave the Wii U version a 6.3. Let's get this straight, for Zombi to score higher you strip the gamepad features, remove the gamepad-centric multiplayer and make the graphics barely any better. Also remove the cool dirty lens feature and have the framerate drop to the mid 20fps mark on Buckingham palace, but its cool because its on playstation and Xbox...im lost for words.


The WiiU version was reviewed by Greg Miller though. Funny guy, but very much a Sony fan.



There were multiple "game-breaking-crash" bugs in the original release of Zombi U which lowered the score, if I recalled I had to restart the game twice because of such "errors" and one of them was so freaking sad--I opened a door before going to a certain spot. It was never fixed for the WII U as far as I recall but in the PC version that glitch doesn't exist.

The first time I only had to redo about 1hr worth of progress, the second time I was nearly 12+ hours in.  :(  Yeah, my orginal review of Zombi U was an 5 :0.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/zombiu/Bugs_&_Glitches

 

 



I stopped checking IGN for reviews since they gave Alien: Isolation a 5 (or something like that don't remember). I mean, it's not only the score, but the quality of the review. Some of them seem to have played the game 3 hours before doing the review, and the poor writing is evident when a reviewer starts to bitch about something instead of giving an objective point of view. (i.e. Hard mode is too hard! The Xenomorph is too inteligent!!!!!!!)



As for the OP, there's plenty of times when a port gets an higher score on a Nintendo product, The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD received an higher score from IGN then the original--a fixed game = a better product.



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Hiku said:

What rattles me is your lack of punctuation, commas, and capital letters, if I've misunderstood anything in your post. The reader shouldn't have to descipher where one sentence ends and another begins. If there's been any misunderstanding, then don't blame me and start typing like a normal person.
Now you're saying "at least have the reviewer get acquainted with the prior version", but before you simply said "or the reviewer can play both versions to see how they compare".
Unless you specify otherwise, when you talk about a reviewer playing a game, people will assume you mean the full game. A reviewer only playing a small portion of a game before a review is never assumed and rather unheard of. But regarding that, if the differences in the new version are many and spread out throughout the entire game, then there would be little point in only "getting aquainted" with the other version. Persona 3: FES for example has so many differences spread out throughout the whole game, not to mention a second story that takes place after the events of the first game, that an opinion from a reviewer that hasn't played the whole thing would be rather pointless if you're looking for an accurate comparison.

Either way, there's no way to guarantee that the previous reviewer can get involved in the new review for a number of reasons. As for playing a portion of the other versions, besides getting complaints from readers about lack of accuracy, it would not necessarily impact the review score in a coherent way either. As time passes, standards change. The superior versions of Resident Evil 4 with extra content recieved lower scores than the original Gamecube version even if the reviewer has played both versions.
It's better to not obsess over review scores, and focus on what matters. The context of the review. Like I said before, a 7/10 review can sound more appealing to you than a 9/10 review.
And this obviously is about fanbase as you specifically mentioned PS4/XBO. Not another WiiU game.

And a person who has never complained about a review score ever and is openly against review scores has possibly exposed themselves of being a person who complains about review scores when the roles are reversed? Sounds legit. But it's good to know your deductive prowess for future reference.

Really:

how about assigning a reviewer who has had a good playthrough of the prior versions for a more accurate review if someone different is doing it or the reviewer can play both versions

Not so hard to understand unless you possess some kind or reading difficulty or you're someone who is mentally not in a right state of mind, getting acquainted with a prior version, playing both games blah blah same thing kiddo the fact that your posts are reduced to trying their hardest to nitpick things that aren't even there highlight the level to which you're rattled, time to stop throwing the toys out your pram because right now you're fabricating issues to save face, man up.

So what if the differences are spread out, their job is to review the whole product for the consumer, should health and safety teams only partially test components in a car if it'll take too long? Should restaurants only lightly clean their premises because maintaining hygiene can take a lot of effort? That's a BS excuse if I've ever heard one. The GC version of RE4 is superior as it runs better, is better graphically and utilizes in game engine assets for cut scenes this is why the reviewers scored it better because the extra content didn't make up for the areas the PS2 version was inferior in.

Stop with your BS as I used the PS4/X1 versions of Watchdogs as an example as they're clearly superior to the Wii U version nothing was said about the userbases in specific you yourself are just one of the people I'm on about because you can't read posts clearly and only read between lines that aren't there, I suggest you learn to read as everything is punctuated just fine for you to understand the posts. Your attempt to save face on your rattled posts is amusing as you've some how read X1/PS4 version of Watchdogs as userbase which highlights you in your own mind are defensive and your garbage logic to keep pushing the notion that a userbase has been targeted shows you as a keyboard commando, if you're looking for a back and fourth exchange then just say as I'll give you just that.

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ymeegod said:

There were multiple "game-breaking-crash" bugs in the original release of Zombi U which lowered the score, if I recalled I had to restart the game twice because of such "errors" and one of them was so freaking sad--I opened a door before going to a certain spot. It was never fixed for the WII U as far as I recall but in the PC version that glitch doesn't exist.

The first time I only had to redo about 1hr worth of progress, the second time I was nearly 12+ hours in.  :(  Yeah, my orginal review of Zombi U was an 5 :0.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/zombiu/Bugs_&_Glitches

 

 

  


If this is true then /thread.



pokoko said:
Nem said:


What about the integrity to their readers? I see alot of concern for the journalist there, but in the end of the day both of them were writing for the same audience with different standards. How is this good journalism if theres no consistency? The publication should have a table from wich each score corresponds to the state the game is in. The rating should not wildly vary depending on who is reviewing. This reveals a lack of organisation and consistency. They are doing a disservice to their readers and their reviews are obviously incredibly parcial as a result.

Journalistic integrity is about the audience.  It means you're not going to lie to them even if lying would make the writer or the publication look better.  This is a perfect example.  If the editor told the writer to put together a review that made Zombi fall two points below ZombiU, no one would be yelling at IGN right now but it would mean the writer lying to the reader and would make the article itself completely worthless.

They absolutely should never have anything like a table.  The very moment an editor tells an employee that their own opinion is wrong and invalid and that they want them to write a review BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT SOMEONE ELSE'S OPINION IS THE ONLY CORRECT OPINION then they've just negated the very basis of what an opinion is, they've told their new writer that their old writer was better, and they've straight-up delivered a lie to the reader.  

That should never happen, especially over something as subjective as a review score.  Opinions vary, sometimes greatly.  That's natural and anyone who is reading opinion based articles should understand that.


That is ludricous. If you don't have a rating table, on what is the score based? Intuition? Sorry, but this is not a good jounalistic practice or integrity. 

You are saying i want the reviewer to lie, but that is not true. There should a rating table that characterises what each score corresponds to (a game with faults but exjoyable X rating, a game that is a technical masterpiece Y rating, a game that is enjoyable but has performnce issues Z. A logical table HAS to exist, or the ratings are arbitrary). If that doesnt exist, then they are just making it up and their scores mean nothing.

Actually, by not adhering to a pre-determined review scale table one of the two reviewers has in fact lied or at least been disonest to his readers. There cant be 2 cups and 2 measures. Thats just not serious.



Having now played the game on PS4, it's really quite enjoyable. IGN's score of 7.5 is a reasonable score (at the moment I would say it's a 7).

It has some issues, but for the price (remember this was only £16...and for pure entertainment value, 7 seems like a fair score.

So not sure what the controversy is coming from.



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Hiku said:
Nem said:
pokoko said:

That's utterly ridiculous.  The moment an editor tells a writer to write a review based on someone else's opinion, that's when credibility is lost.  Telling the reviewer the score they need to hit based on another work would be a failure of journalistic integrity.  Any writer worth reading would refuse immediately, and rightfully so.  That's a horrible, awful suggestion.  I'm sure some editors might tell a reviewer to lie for the sake of "consistency" but, as a consumer, that's something I would not accept if I knew it was taking place.  I have far more respect for an editor that lets a writer write their own work without pre-setting the outcome in advance.


What about the integrity to their readers? I see alot of concern for the journalist there, but in the end of the day both of them were writing for the same audience with different standards. How is this good journalism if theres no consistency? The publication should have a table from wich each score corresponds to the state the game is in. The rating should not wildly vary depending on who is reviewing. This reveals a lack of organisation and consistency. They are doing a disservice to their readers and their reviews are obviously incredibly parcial as a result.

People have different opinions. The readers are aware of this as well.
Reviewer A could appreciate the Social Link system of Persona 3, while Reviewer B dislikes it, and even finds that it becomes a hindrance to their gameplay experience since ignoring it has a negative consequences on the battle system. If their opinions continue to differ on different aspects of the game, the score could, and should, become noticably different. I wouldn't say that a 1.2 point difference on a scale of 10 is "wildly vary" though.


If that is the case, then one of those reviewers is a bad reviewer. How much something is rewarding is part of the design of the game. If reviews are this volatile and opinated then the scoring system makes no sense and is arbitrary. 

At the end of the day, what we have in this case is the same game with less features (and this was a game created with the gamepad in mind and loses alot of its appeal without it). How can it possibly score higher? I can't account this to simply "opinion" and i can't clear the publication of the past review published for the same game. None of this is serious. If it isnt serious, i can't trust either of their reviews. Both of them are untrustworthy.

Imagine Fallout 4. It comes out for PS4 and X1 and performs the same on both systems but you give it to different people to review. At the end of the day they have different opinions and one gives it an 9 and the other a 6. Its their opinions but now the PS4 version is a 6 and the X1 is a 9. Does this make any sense? Would you be ok with that and why are you ok with it in this case?