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If this is NX would you buy?

Yes 142 44.65%
 
No 95 29.87%
 
Maybe 53 16.67%
 
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spemanig said:
FunFan said:

They were also 8GB 4 years ago. Time passes, prices drop.


Ratios don't. Right now a 64GB SD card is $20. A disc of a similar price is $2. Carts aren't happening, unless you think $80 games are coming back. Or unless you think 3rd parties are going to take a $20 hit in their profit margins just to port their games to the NX.

How much did a 8GB SD card cost 4 years ago? If the 3DS came out in feb 2011 with 8GB carts, I can see a 2016 4DS with 64GB carts or at least 32GB with the option of 64GB+ in the future.



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Captain_Yuri said:

And the types of discs you are talking about are Writable Once where as that microsd card is re-writable. I am not saying that it costs as less but it certainly doesn't cost $10 per for 64gb Read Only flash memory when 64gb is avaliable for $20 for consumers + rewritable...

Well then they wouldn't say "Like an sd card" then and they would specifically say "Sd card" in the discription

You're making stuff up now. You seriously think that a 64gb card is suddenly going to be less than $10 just because you can't write over it? It's going to be over half off just because you can't write over it? Even if that were true, it will still be exponentially more expensive for third parties to port their games on a cart, and that would not have garnered "positive reactions" from them.

No they wouldn't. The wording is always vague like that because SD card is a brand. A cartridge is not. If they were talking about carts, they would say carts. 



I have a box full of rare NES carts that I still play and love. The same for SNES, Genesis, N64... you name it. I'm never going to go all digital because when the servers die, or the company dies, so does my games.



I wouldn't mind that but most people still prefer buying physical games. And Nintendo's digital game prices are too high so that might be a problem.



    

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Nintendo did say they wanted several form factors more than what they can already offer. This could also be a particular form factor that doesn't have an optical drive for those who want digital only, so they can purchase a form of NX that doesn't have an optical drive, which will in turn reduce the price of the console. They'll also be able to make it smaller, and can even run cooler, which will reduce the price even further.



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spemanig said:

You're making stuff up now. You seriously think that a 64gb card is suddenly going to be less than $10 just because you can't write over it? It's going to be over half off just because you can't write over it? Even if that were true, it will still be exponentially more expensive for third parties to port their games on a cart, and that would not have garnered "positive reactions" from them.

No they wouldn't. The wording is always vague like that because SD card is a brand. A cartridge is not. If they were talking about carts, they would say carts. 

$20 - 30% (retail cut) = $14 - 50% (profit margin) = $7 (posible current manufacturing costs of a 64 GB rewritable SD memory card).



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spemanig said:
Captain_Yuri said:

And the types of discs you are talking about are Writable Once where as that microsd card is re-writable. I am not saying that it costs as less but it certainly doesn't cost $10 per for 64gb Read Only flash memory when 64gb is avaliable for $20 for consumers + rewritable...

Well then they wouldn't say "Like an sd card" then and they would specifically say "Sd card" in the discription

You're making stuff up now. You seriously think that a 64gb card is suddenly going to be less than $10 just because you can't write over it? It's going to be over half off just because you can't write over it? Even if that were true, it will still be exponentially more expensive for third parties to port their games on a cart, and that would not have garnered "positive reactions" from them.

No they wouldn't. The wording is always vague like that because SD card is a brand. A cartridge is not. If they were talking about carts, they would say carts. 

Yes because Read Only anything costs less to produce than Re-Writable ones... Why on earth do you think Read only discs cost a lot less than Re-Writable discs as an example? Oh and you have not been in the meeting and neither has anyone except for third parties so you have no idea why the reactions were positive to begin with... For all we know, Nintendo didn't even show the full console to begin with but rather a dev kit

Actually that is incorrect... Here is the 3ds patent: "To this card slot 62, a memory card (SD card 64 in this embodiment) different from the memory card 58 can be inserted." Granted it also says "Cartridge" in the patent somewhere but saying that they have to be vague when it comes to SD card sounds like nonsense... Unless u have another patent where u are getting your info from?

http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220100085693%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20100085693&RS=DN/20100085693"



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:
spemanig said:
Captain_Yuri said:

And the types of discs you are talking about are Writable Once where as that microsd card is re-writable. I am not saying that it costs as less but it certainly doesn't cost $10 per for 64gb Read Only flash memory when 64gb is avaliable for $20 for consumers + rewritable...

Well then they wouldn't say "Like an sd card" then and they would specifically say "Sd card" in the discription

You're making stuff up now. You seriously think that a 64gb card is suddenly going to be less than $10 just because you can't write over it? It's going to be over half off just because you can't write over it? Even if that were true, it will still be exponentially more expensive for third parties to port their games on a cart, and that would not have garnered "positive reactions" from them.

No they wouldn't. The wording is always vague like that because SD card is a brand. A cartridge is not. If they were talking about carts, they would say carts. 

Yes because Read Only anything costs less to produce than Re-Writable ones... Why on earth do you think Read only discs cost a lot less than Re-Writable discs as an example?

Actually that is incorrect... Here is the 3ds patent: "To this card slot 62, a memory card (SD card 64 in this embodiment) different from the memory card 58 can be inserted." Granted it also says "Cartridge" in the patent somewhere but saying that they have to be vague when it comes to SD card sounds like nonsense... Unless u have another patent where u are getting your info from?

http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220100085693%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20100085693&RS=DN/20100085693"


I was just talking about the image, not the written patent. I was mistaken.

Either way, memory cards, as in the SD card, are clearly stated for what they are. Cartridges are clearly labeled for what they are. And no matter what the price difference is between readable and non readable, it will still cost exponencially more money for a third party to port the same game on the NX, and that's after the actual costs of porting, just because of cartridges.



It is possible for them to release External Disc Drive for backward compatibility.

About this new Gamepad, it seems that it could be powered sorely through single cable, if they are considering multiple gamepad, they might reduce the screen size to cut the cost of the controller.



spemanig said:

I was just talking about the image, not the written patent. I was mistaken.

Either way, memory cards, as in the SD card, are clearly stated for what they are. Cartridges are clearly labeled for what they are. And no matter what the price difference is between readable and non readable, it will still cost exponencially more money for a third party to port the same game on the NX, and that's after the actual costs of porting, just because of cartridges.


But the cartridge might have the extra perk of working with both the console and the handheld. I'm not saying you are absolutely wrong, I just don't want a digital only console. But if it happens I'll bow before you and aknowledge your far superior psychic dick.



“Simple minds have always confused great honesty with great rudeness.” - Sherlock Holmes, Elementary (2013).

"Did you guys expected some actual rational fact-based reasoning? ...you should already know I'm all about BS and fraudulence." - FunFan, VGchartz (2016)