Avro1958 said:
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No, I didn't, I just pointed out how 25 people doesn't match up with the point of the article. So, in fact, you missed the point.
Avro1958 said:
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No, I didn't, I just pointed out how 25 people doesn't match up with the point of the article. So, in fact, you missed the point.
I have to disagree. Pirated porn is everywhere but where are pirated games? I know of a few people who play really old games that are pirated.

| mornelithe said: No, I didn't, I just pointed out how 25 people doesn't match up with the point of the article. So, in fact, you missed the point. |
I never said it did, what I am pointing out with the 25 people is that sales are affected no matter how small... and it's NOT a matter of if sales are affected (they are) it's rather a question of how much they are affected, that is the figure we may never know. I agree that one pirated game does not equal a lost sale and that most of the people who pirate have no intention of buying the games anyway. However I know for a fact that some people would buy the game if pirating was not an option, I know someone who does this and I highly doubt he is the only person on the planet like that. I did not miss the point I was trying to make :-p
| Aeolus451 said: I have to disagree. Pirated porn is everywhere but where are pirated games? I know of a few people who play really old games that are pirated. |
Google it you will find out. It's HUGE!!! about 15 years ago I did it, bit torrent and litterally 1000's of sites helped feed my greed. I eventually found Steam and have been buying all my games since. I grew up and realised if I can't afford to play them then I should not play them, playing games is not a right. I only had the attirude towards PC though, I never dabbled in pirated console games and it was just as easy.
| SvennoJ said: They have the same thing in The Netherlands (at least when I lived there). Is that a good solution? Why do I need to pay a tax for my home videos. Plus does you isp pay that same tax for every GB you download? With streaming this tax on rewritable media has become outdated and pointless. Only the pirates win. Btw in the future a general tax on bandwidth can still happen. The battle is long from over. |
Streaming is not considered piracy, EU courts have ruled that: http://www.digital-digest.com/news-63934-Watching-Pirated-Streams-Is-Legal-Rules-EU-Court.html
So taxation on recordable media makes sense because if you do not download it everything is fine. ISPs do not charge any additional taxes, Hungary tried it and caused such revolution that they reversed their decision in a week. http://dailynewshungary.com/protesters-demand-withdrawal-of-proposed-internet-tax/
what about those millions of people who use a pirated copy of a game as a 'demo' that may or may not entice them to purchase the game?
how about everyone that played x game for free that they would never think about buying, then becoming fans of that franchise and buying every single game of that series from then on?
what about the word of mouth advertising gained by maximizing exposure to game x that gets several other people to purchase it as well? as in (dude, i tried yesterday game X and it's fuckin awesome, see if you like it so we'll buy it and play together with johnny)
let's discount all that
| setsunatenshi said: what about those millions of people who use a pirated copy of a game as a 'demo' that may or may not entice them to purchase the game? how about everyone that played x game for free that they would never think about buying, then becoming fans of that franchise and buying every single game of that series from then on? what about the word of mouth advertising gained by maximizing exposure to game x that gets several other people to purchase it as well? as in (dude, i tried yesterday game X and it's fuckin awesome, see if you like it so we'll buy it and play together with johnny) let's discount all that |
We're already talking about an extremely hypothetical number here. Asking for more hypothetical factors is asinine. At that point why don't we go into whether pirates post videos on YouTube, and whether those pirates are popular enough to influence sales enough to outweigh the pira. It's stupid .
I'll be the first to admit that obtaining a game outside of buying it new has helped me become a fan of many franchises. (That refers to either piracy or used game sales, since both arguments for the benefits of either use the "it helps franchise sales overall" claim.) But that doesn't mean that pirating doesn't necessarily hurt the developer/publisher. It still does. Whether the benefits outweigh the costs, we'll never know. The entire discussion in this thread has boiled down to hypothetical vs hypothetical, and it's pointless to try and make a point either way. All you can definitively say is that piracy has helped lead to a developer crumbling in the past, and piracy has helped skyrocket games to the stars.
You should check out my YouTube channel, The Golden Bolt! I review all types of video games, both classic and modern, and I also give short flyover reviews of the free games each month on PlayStation Plus to tell you if they're worth downloading. After all, the games may be free, but your time is valuable!
These stats are complete garbage. This assumes that if piracy wasn't an option all the people who pirated the games would have purchased them which is crazy.
Lets compare that with stealing for example. I guess during the Rodney King riots when people were breaking into electronic stores and stealing tv's they had already planned to purchase that tv that day but considering there was a riot going on they decided to take that tv for free and I guess transfered the money in their tv budget line over to a different purpose.
The fact is that people who pirate their games end up downloaded loads of games because they are free. Many people also pirate a game to check it out and see if it's worth buying when demo's aren't made available.
Piracy is hurting tv shows and movies a lot more than games.
Burek said:
Streaming is not considered piracy, EU courts have ruled that: http://www.digital-digest.com/news-63934-Watching-Pirated-Streams-Is-Legal-Rules-EU-Court.html So taxation on recordable media makes sense because if you do not download it everything is fine. ISPs do not charge any additional taxes, Hungary tried it and caused such revolution that they reversed their decision in a week. http://dailynewshungary.com/protesters-demand-withdrawal-of-proposed-internet-tax/ |
That doesn't mean it's legal
It's worth noting that this ruling does not exempt operators of these streaming services from legal responsibility, only the viewers and users of these services.
The case was about people receiving emails with copyrighted material, whether people opening those emails can be sued... It's a loophole. I imagine it was passed because it's impossible to prove intent with auto playing streams.
Taxation on recordable media does not make sense. Most people download, watch, delete. It made some sense in the past with casette tapes, as it was normal to record from the radio and make mix tapes etc. Nowadays there is zero relation between the storage type and possible copyright infringement. A 2tb hdd can hold over 500,000 songs, a thousand SD movies or 200 HD movies. There must be some hefty tax on that...
The revenue lost is not the only downside.
http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2015/07/16/if-you-think-piracy-is-decreasing-you-havent-looked-at-the-data-2/
Roughly 20% of internet traffic is piracy related. Or basically 1/5th of what I pay my isp, is to pay for bandwidth used for piracy... Overpriced internet with bandwidth caps.