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Teeqoz said:
endimion said:

pretty much... And hipsters are early mainstreamers with bad tastes


But why point out Playstation then, when you apparently aren't appealed by any of the major exclusives from the big three? And oh, you like Mass Effect? That's rather mainstream as well. Mass Effect is thus average (Hey, your own reasoning, not mine)

Not to mention that Playstation has a long list of games that weren't/aren't  AAA mainstream games (Ratchet & Clank, Sly Cooper, Bloodborne, Ico, Shadow of the Collosus, Dreams etc.)

 

Also what about JRPGS? They're mainstream in Japan but most of them are niche in the west, does that mean JRPGs are average in Japan, but good in the west? No? Aka your logic is flawed.


cause to be fair among that pile of same reheated stuff... Halo is to me better than other spaced based fps, GOW is a better tps than most, as a big fan of racer Sims... I do prefer forza to GT by far yet haven't bought MCC, judgment or a forza since Forza 3... ME mainstream?? Please haven't seen many RPG like that in a while...

and JRPg please double please... There aren't been any worst shit in decades... It's like the bulls in basketball they live on long lost glory....

to be frank I bought an Xbox one and haven't yet been impressed by anything beside a few Indy games... Really like max and valiant hearts

but yeah PS is by far my nemesis... But that's a personal thing, since the Sega ninty era... Went from them to PC to XB never been attracted by their offering...

 

sorry for the mediocre English... Too many rums already lol



Soundwave said:
Would be better for consumers if MS and Nintendo just aligned together.

I'd like to see that actually. Would mean one box for my household, certainly.



RolStoppable said:

The stupidity of the probable zero999 alt aside, he was correct on one account. Your original point wasn't good and doesn't hold water.

Nintendo has the strongest and most diverse first party lineup as a quick look at the bestselling games of all time will confirm. No other video game publisher has such a big list of so many different IPs in so many different genres.

Beyond that, there are a few problems with your argument.

1. When it comes to PlayStation, you add third party to prove the diversity in content. That you use the word "PlayStation" instead of "Sony" is a deliberate choice. However, the topic is about first party content.

2. At one time you use sales to gauge the importance of diversity (PlayStation success), but then that flies out of the window when you call this gen Nintendo's biggest effort for more diversity in a long time. Nintendo is falling far short of what they did in the seventh generation. It's also wrong to call Nintendo's approach to game development Japanese-centric because a lot of their IPs are equally or more successful outside of Japan. In fact, no other game publisher has had as much success as Nintendo when it comes to selling games on a global basis, to both genders and across all ages. Such a feat is only possible by having the most diverse portfolio (thus appealing to many different demographics) and the next best publisher is so far behind Nintendo that it shouldn't even be an argument in the first place.

3. I don't see Microsoft having made any strides with the One in comparison to the 360. The case could be made that it's the opposite because they've cut off the Japanese-centric content this generation. Which games in particular do you see as something that Microsoft didn't have a generation ago?

1.  What in the name of god are you talking about.

2.  Your leaps of logic would do you good in politics but Mario selling billions really doesn't equate to Nintendo being the most diverse.

3. Killer Instinct, Sunset Overdrive, Max: The Curse of Brotherhood, Ori and the Blind Forest, and from the cut off Japanese-centric segment, ReCore and Scalebound.



pokoko said:
RolStoppable said:

The stupidity of the probable zero999 alt aside, he was correct on one account. Your original point wasn't good and doesn't hold water.

Nintendo has the strongest and most diverse first party lineup as a quick look at the bestselling games of all time will confirm. No other video game publisher has such a big list of so many different IPs in so many different genres.

Beyond that, there are a few problems with your argument.

1. When it comes to PlayStation, you add third party to prove the diversity in content. That you use the word "PlayStation" instead of "Sony" is a deliberate choice. However, the topic is about first party content.

2. At one time you use sales to gauge the importance of diversity (PlayStation success), but then that flies out of the window when you call this gen Nintendo's biggest effort for more diversity in a long time. Nintendo is falling far short of what they did in the seventh generation. It's also wrong to call Nintendo's approach to game development Japanese-centric because a lot of their IPs are equally or more successful outside of Japan. In fact, no other game publisher has had as much success as Nintendo when it comes to selling games on a global basis, to both genders and across all ages. Such a feat is only possible by having the most diverse portfolio (thus appealing to many different demographics) and the next best publisher is so far behind Nintendo that it shouldn't even be an argument in the first place.

3. I don't see Microsoft having made any strides with the One in comparison to the 360. The case could be made that it's the opposite because they've cut off the Japanese-centric content this generation. Which games in particular do you see as something that Microsoft didn't have a generation ago?

1.  What in the name of god are you talking about.

2.  Your leaps of logic would do you good in politics but Mario selling billions really doesn't equate to Nintendo being the most diverse.

3. Killer Instinct, Sunset Overdrive, Max: The Curse of Brotherhood, Ori and the Blind Forest, and from the cut off Japanese-centric segment, ReCore and Scalebound.

What in the name of god are you talking about.




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RolStoppable said:
pokoko said:

1.  What in the name of god are you talking about.

2.  Your leaps of logic would do you good in politics but Mario selling billions really doesn't equate to Nintendo being the most diverse.

3. Killer Instinct, Sunset Overdrive, Max: The Curse of Brotherhood, Ori and the Blind Forest, and from the cut off Japanese-centric segment, ReCore and Scalebound.

1. Here's Phil Spencer's quote:

"On the Wii U, I think people downplay how many units they've sold," Spencer told Eurogamer. "I've got a Wii U, I think there's some great games on there. I think Splatoon's a really nice game and I don't think there's a first-party out there that has the strength of IP that Nintendo has. They're always a beacon to me when I look at what it means to build a first-party portfolio of products, they've done a great job."

That's what this topic is about.

2. Here's the list of the bestselling games of all time: http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/

There's a lot more from Nintendo than just Mario.

3. That's a very weak list of games, with Killer Instinct probably being the most valuable out of the bunch. Not exactly a strong resume when it comes to building a first party lineup that draws in customers.

1.  Phil's quote has something to do with using Playstation instead of Sony?  Really?  I don't even ...

2.  You're right, of the top 12, only 5 are Mario.  You got me there.  And 4 of the top 15 are Wii Sports/Wii Fit.  Oops, wait, 2 of those Mario titles are handheld, my mistake.

3.  Compared to the 360?  If you say so.  However, you seem to think that a game is only valuable if it's selling millions.  I do not.  I believe the very act of having a diverse line-up will help sell consoles, even if each individual game is what you would call "weak".  



Phil is a multi gamer, he owns every console!



RolStoppable said:

2. With this answer your argument is brought to its knees. While you chose to sarcastically acknowledge Nintendo's diversity, you had to acknowledge it nonetheless. You had no choice, because the facts contradict the point of view you tried to push in this thread.

3. What "building a strong first party lineup" means for an executive of a console manufacturer is a portfolio of titles that not only become household names, but also push hardware on a notable level. That's why I am talking about bestselling games, and in the context of this topic, it's really the only viable point of view. IPs that sell less than one million copies are routinely discontinued or put on a long hiatus by console manufacturers and Sony is no exception to this rule.

1.  I don't even know or care what you're doing here so I cut it out.

2.  No.  You seem to think if one game is slightly different from another then, bam, instant diversity.  It doesn't work that way.  Diversity means a range of different things.  Mario Kart to Mario World to Super Mario Bros. is about as diverse as listing Fry Cook to Grill Cook at McDonalds as examples of diverse careers.  Does Nintendo have some diversity?  Of course.  Do they cover a wide range of genres, aesthetics, tastes, and styles?  Not as many as Playstation, which is the core of my argument.

3.  I disagree with you completely.  Having games in all different segments of the market has been Sony's strategy and it's worked pretty well, as they continue to create volume.  Yoshida himself said that many Sony games don't turn a profit.  They still make them, though, as all those different types of games benefit the platform itself.

“PlayStation platforms have been home for so many diverse, creative and innovative games from both first and third parties. That diversity, depth and breadth of games defined PlayStation,” muses Yoshida.  http://www.gamesradar.com/yoshidas-fave-playstation-games/



Sony's appeal really isn't diversity.

Outside of internet message boards the general consumer doesn't care about weird niche games like Puppeteer or Knack or something.

Sony's formula is to target older males (and by doing so they know they get younger players too, since younger players want to be older).

That and they don't make a lot of mistakes. They sit back and wait for Nintendo/MS/Sega to make mistakes and then they capitalize on them and consolidate third party support (which is actually where diversity comes from ... having a large pool of third party developers). 

Throw in some decent marketing and voila. 



RolStoppable said:
pokoko said:

1.  I don't even know or care what you're doing here so I cut it out.

2.  No.  You seem to think if one game is slightly different from another then, bam, instant diversity.  It doesn't work that way.  Diversity means a range of different things.  Mario Kart to Mario World to Super Mario Bros. is about as diverse as listing Fry Cook to Grill Cook at McDonalds as examples of diverse careers.  Does Nintendo have some diversity?  Of course.  Do they cover a wide range of genres, aesthetics, tastes, and styles?  Not as many as Playstation, which is the core of my argument.

3.  I disagree with you completely.  Having games in all different segments of the market has been Sony's strategy and it's worked pretty well, as they continue to create volume.  Yoshida himself said that many Sony games don't turn a profit.  They still make them, though, as all those different types of games benefit the platform itself.

“PlayStation platforms have been home for so many diverse, creative and innovative games from both first and third parties. That diversity, depth and breadth of games defined PlayStation,” muses Yoshida.  http://www.gamesradar.com/yoshidas-fave-playstation-games/

The core of your argument is flawed, because the topic is about first parties. The quote of Yoshida you provided highlights this again. You continue to mix first and third parties together which you have done from the beginning. That you cut out the first point is not because you don't know what's up, but because you very well know what it's about.

As for this specifically, taken from the above quote:

Diversity means a range of different thingsMario Kart to Mario World to Super Mario Bros. is about as diverse as listing Fry Cook to Grill Cook at McDonalds as examples of diverse careers.

It stands in direct contradiction with this:

pokoko said:

I'm sure you understand what I'm saying, even if you play ignorant.  Super Mario Bros. is a platformer, Mario Kart is a racing game, and Mario Tennis is a sports game.  Do you understand?  This isn't hard.  If they made a Metroid type game and reskinned it Mario, would you still call it a "Mario game" above all else and ignore that it is an entirely different genre?

Well, you probably would, but most of the world would not.

As far as Galaxy and 3Dworld being so different in style ... yeah, okay, no.  Not that I mind, of course, because I've already explained to you that I'm talking about different kinds of games.

Isn't that cool? Not too long ago you argued the exact opposite when it came to Mario games.

This inconsistency is easily explained by your well-known dislike for Nintendo, so you say whatever suits you best at any given moment. I'd like to use this opportunity to make something official.

Ever since the mod team thread has been locked, my playground is gone. The mods don't want to play games with me anymore. What's worse, Smeags has stepped down from the head mod position, delivering another blow to my ambitions to get things back on track. But I haven't sat idle during the past month and worked on a contingency plan, so I've collected a good amount of your posts to have something to play with in the future. The rules of the game will be simple:

1. If I see you posting nonsense related to Nintendo, I'll look through the posts I have at hand. By the way, your posting history is quite impressive.
2. The game is always initiated by you, so you'll just have to post whenever you want to play.

I consider this a fair set of rules because it leaves a good amount of control in your hands.

Oh, wow, you've been digging up old posts in order to make a point.  That's funny and also ... well, creepy as cats, but still funny.  But still creepy.

Though, let me say, I don't care about your games or your personal problems.  Do as you like but spare me your reasons and rationalizations.  

So, where are we at?  McDonalds has fry cooks, grill cooks, AND someone on the milkshake machine?  I know you're not dumb, I know you fully understand that I'm talking about different things with each post.  In one, I'm talking about Mario games belonging to different genres while still being Mario games, in the other I'm talking about games that are completely unique in tone, style, and aesthetic principles.  Are you going to tell me that you can't tell the difference?  That Journey and The Last of Us do not display more diversity than Mario Kart and Mario Galaxy?  You should be able to manage that much, shouldn't you?

I'm still kind of surprised that you haven't trotted out a list of Wii U first-party exclusives to line up against PS4 first-party exclusives in order to prove your objection.  Wouldn't that be the quickest way for you to win this?

Really, though, if you think Nintendo has more diversity than Sony then more power to you.  As someone who has owned multiple systems from both, I disagree.  Part of the reason I never went back to Nintendo was that so many of the games shared the same look, the same tone, and the same lack of depth.  Like it or not, that's the honest truth.  You don't like that?  I'm actually shrugging right now.  

Wow, though.  Creepy.