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Nuvendil said:

I think Kotaku is just desperate to keep their views up. This is, what, the third upcoming game in the last couple months they've gotten their hands on early or seen behind closed doors that they have given a negative outlook on despite everyone else having a positive or at least optimistic outlook? Xenoblade Chronicles X, Halo 5, Quantum Break. They're just farming for clicks and know their writing is so poor no one is going to click to read any positive articles but they might be lured in by something uncommonly negative.


Completely agree because they are all over this site getting more hits because of the non-sense.



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RolStoppable said:
Sounds disheartening for both games, so I guess it's time to call it as it is: Today Microsoft lost me as a customer.


when where you a customer?



RolStoppable said:
Sounds disheartening for both games, so I guess it's time to call it as it is: Today Microsoft lost me as a customer.

Millions of sales confirmed lost for MS, just from this guy.



Torillian said:
Rough being a writer on the internet. It's kind of like how people call politicians who change their views over time flip floppers when personally I would prefer a leader who is open minded to changing their ideas based on newly presented evidence. Saying you can't trust someone because their initial view of something from a prescripted demo versus a more indepth view later seems just as ridiculous. How far back does that go? Does the same person need to keep the same opinion about a game since its announcement in order for them to be trustworthy?

What you say makes sense, sadly your a writer and so I cant trust you. Your clearly just trying to cover up for a fellow writer



ktay95 said:
Torillian said:
Rough being a writer on the internet. It's kind of like how people call politicians who change their views over time flip floppers when personally I would prefer a leader who is open minded to changing their ideas based on newly presented evidence. Saying you can't trust someone because their initial view of something from a prescripted demo versus a more indepth view later seems just as ridiculous. How far back does that go? Does the same person need to keep the same opinion about a game since its announcement in order for them to be trustworthy?

What you say makes sense, sadly your a writer and so I cant trust you. Your clearly just trying to cover up for a fellow writer

Well, I can't speak for Torillian, because I don't read a ton of his writing.  However, I made this trust remark earlier, and his lack of a response to open a dialogue about it, isn't exactly encouraging.



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mornelithe said:
ktay95 said:

What you say makes sense, sadly your a writer and so I cant trust you. Your clearly just trying to cover up for a fellow writer

Well, I can't speak for Torillian, because I don't read a ton of his writing.  However, I made this trust remark earlier, and his lack of a response to open a dialogue about it, isn't exactly encouraging.


You wanted a dialogue on that one?  Seemed like a reasonable response that people should find specific writers they like to forego these issues, I generally don't post "yeah I agree" while at work because I'm busy.  Did you mean that the standard should be to assume all writers are unthuthful until you specifically learn that they are not?  Guilty until proven innocent basically?  If so then no I disagree, but it's not really something I'd want to debate about.  Regardless of the current state of the journalism industry by stance is that it is perfectly rational and normal to change one's mind when presented with new evidence and that should not be a sign of someone being untrustworthy.    



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I don't really trust Kotaku's writing myself, but I did have my own reservations about the live action cutscenes in Quantum Break. I'll wait to see more about the game, personally. In the end, everybody has to let their critics run wild periodically to get some clicks. I've seen click bait on just about every jouranlism site you may think is respectable. It's how things work when numbers start to dip and you need to boost traffic again.



 

Torillian said:
mornelithe said:

Well, I can't speak for Torillian, because I don't read a ton of his writing.  However, I made this trust remark earlier, and his lack of a response to open a dialogue about it, isn't exactly encouraging.


You wanted a dialogue on that one?  Seemed like a reasonable response that people should find specific writers they like to forego these issues, I generally don't post "yeah I agree" while at work because I'm busy.  Did you mean that the standard should be to assume all writers are unthuthful until you specifically learn that they are not?  Guilty until proven innocent basically?  If so then no I disagree, but it's not really something I'd want to debate about.  Regardless of the current state of the journalism industry by stance is that it is perfectly rational and normal to change one's mind when presented with new evidence and that should not be a sign of someone being untrustworthy.    

Well, I was hoping for some kind of response, either that you understood what I meant, or maybe a critique on the statement (And you gave it, so I thank you).  In the realm of this thread, what you have to say is absolutely relevant.  It IS hard being a writer online, and as a fan of games who depends on outside sources for information, it's also very hard on users to have to jump from place to place to place to find writers they can put their confidence in.

I would stop you however, from refering to it as a debate.  It's not necessarily about winning points in an argument.  I think it's a very real issue, and something that only open dialogue between writers themselves and fans can work through.  Because I do think it's fair to suggest that many people view all writers now, through a lens of skepticism first, and that's unfair to the profession and the individual, and it's an ugly fact that the poor behavior of others has kind of hurt all established and aspiring writers.



Torillian said:

You wanted a dialogue on that one?  Seemed like a reasonable response that people should find specific writers they like to forego these issues, I generally don't post "yeah I agree" while at work because I'm busy.  Did you mean that the standard should be to assume all writers are unthuthful until you specifically learn that they are not?  Guilty until proven innocent basically?  If so then no I disagree, but it's not really something I'd want to debate about.  Regardless of the current state of the journalism industry by stance is that it is perfectly rational and normal to change one's mind when presented with new evidence and that should not be a sign of someone being untrustworthy.  

I agree.

It is easy in the game industry changes his mind because the lack of evidences from any game... a lot of game footage are not real evidence from the final game.

I can see a writer getting excited about something showed in a conference (where you made a plan to show the game the way you want to impress the public) and after that play or see the game in real action and get disapointed because it was not like what they showed on the conference.

You can say The Order always impressed me from the footage but the playable demos were always some kind disapointing... that ended not good.

Kotaku was never supposed to be serious journalism but what they do were always reliable.



Websites just post clickbait and hate on different games.



    

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