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bananaking21 on 06 August 2015
DerNebel said:

What are you even talking about? Nobody is trying to argue that those 3rd party deals are being given to Snoy for free (except maybe a couple medium/smaller sized japanese games), but the notion that the installbase difference of the 2 systems has no influence on the price is beyond ridiculous.

And I listen to logic here, no need to listen to forum people for this, instead of a MS represantitive that would surely prefer not saying "Well since we're lagging behind in installbase significantly it is also noticably easier and cheaper for Sony to establish exclusive deals with third party publishers". It looks way better to the uninformed to say that it's all a choice by MS.


you know its really hard to believe this not only because it defy's common sense, but also because EA said they based titanfall's exclusivity based on a sales forecast they had for PS4 and XB1. if a sales forecast can influence a deal then actual market share sure as hell will. i actually went a made a thread about it. 



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OdinHades on 06 August 2015

lol, That's some serious damage control right there!



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Samus Aran on 06 August 2015
Drakrami said:
Samus Aran said:
Drakrami said:

haha -- why's Persona 5 sony exclusive then? 

 

pst. It's because they have a dominate japanese market share. While this point is quite obvious, it just pushes out what Phil Spencer just said. Moving along... 

Sony dominates the Japanese market share? Hahaha.


lol yes. Nintendo is nonexistent when the topic is talking about AAA third party games. Maybe you need to read what is being discussed again? Third Party AAA exclusive games. 

You mean like Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, and Yo-kai Watch? The 3 biggest third party franchises in Japan... Ever heard of those?



Samus Aran on 06 August 2015
bananaking21 said:
Azzanation said:


EA's deal come with MS accepting EA Access and there good relationship with EA. EA are bascially using Xbox becasue Xbox supports EA, just like RotTR is timed. Help them, help you.


http://www.gamezone.com/news/titanfall-s-exclusivity-based-on-ea-s-xbox-and-playstation-sales-forecast-not-xbox-one-s-cloud

 

no its not. it was based on sales EA's forcast of the sales of both consoles. 

Do you believe everything a company says?



FunFan on 06 August 2015
Drakrami said:
Samus Aran said:
Drakrami said:

haha -- why's Persona 5 sony exclusive then? 

 

pst. It's because they have a dominate japanese market share. While this point is quite obvious, it just pushes out what Phil Spencer just said. Moving along... 

Sony dominates the Japanese market share? Hahaha.


lol yes. Nintendo is nonexistent when the topic is talking about AAA third party games. Maybe you need to read what is being discussed again? Third Party AAA exclusive games. 

You consider Persona 5 a AAA game? Hahaha.



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Faelco on 06 August 2015
Azzanation said:
DerNebel said:

Did you even read the OP? Spencer literally says that marketshare has no influence on the amount of money a platform holder has to pay for a third party exclusive or exclusive DLC. Anybody with a business degree can tell you that that's grade-A bullshit.

Marketshare doesnt influence. Phil is the head of Xbox, he deals with these sort of things all the time, just like the head of PS and Nintendo. Money makes the world go around thats all it is. Who do we listen to? Fans on a gaming site with no experince in these sort of things or a man who has years of experince and degrees in this subject? Maybe Phil is right and maybe he might be uncovering a monster, or maybe he is wrong, but again Money makes the world go round.

Wait, Sony are broke and should disband, and Microsoft are really rich and could easily buy Playstation. Or at least that's what I've read for months/years here. 

 

And now Sony can buy exclusives and Microsoft can't, even if MS needs it a lot more to compete? And you're really saying that it's all about money? 

 

Listen to common sense and logic, not to a PR guy paid to make you believe what's good for him. 



WC4Life on 06 August 2015
DerNebel said:

What are you even talking about? Nobody is trying to argue that those 3rd party deals are being given to Snoy for free (except maybe a couple medium/smaller sized japanese games), but the notion that the installbase difference of the 2 systems has no influence on the price is beyond ridiculous.

And I listen to logic here, no need to listen to forum people for this, instead of a MS represantitive that would surely prefer not saying "Well since we're lagging behind in installbase significantly it is also noticably easier and cheaper for Sony to establish exclusive deals with third party publishers". It looks way better to the uninformed to say that it's all a choice by MS.


People who do not have degree in common sense, this is too much to understand.



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bananaking21 on 06 August 2015
Samus Aran said:
bananaking21 said:
Azzanation said:


EA's deal come with MS accepting EA Access and there good relationship with EA. EA are bascially using Xbox becasue Xbox supports EA, just like RotTR is timed. Help them, help you.


http://www.gamezone.com/news/titanfall-s-exclusivity-based-on-ea-s-xbox-and-playstation-sales-forecast-not-xbox-one-s-cloud

 

no its not. it was based on sales EA's forcast of the sales of both consoles. 

Do you believe everything a company says?

certainly not when its an obvious PR spin like what phil just said. i try to use common sense when handling these stuff, people should try doing that too, it helps a lot. 



DerNebel on 06 August 2015
Samus Aran said:
Drakrami said:
Samus Aran said:

Sony dominates the Japanese market share? Hahaha.


lol yes. Nintendo is nonexistent when the topic is talking about AAA third party games. Maybe you need to read what is being discussed again? Third Party AAA exclusive games. 

You mean like Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, and Yo-kai Watch? The 3 biggest third party franchises in Japan... Ever heard of those?

Now if you do that for consoles.



Samus Aran on 06 August 2015
DerNebel said:
Samus Aran said:
Drakrami said:
Samus Aran said:

Sony dominates the Japanese market share? Hahaha.


lol yes. Nintendo is nonexistent when the topic is talking about AAA third party games. Maybe you need to read what is being discussed again? Third Party AAA exclusive games. 

You mean like Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, and Yo-kai Watch? The 3 biggest third party franchises in Japan... Ever heard of those?

Now if you do that for consoles.

Handhelds are consoles.