That's interesting, because the post I responded to said the same of Kinect/XBLA. When using the same metrics, Sonys is just as bad. Or worse. Especially since they have far fewer studios than MS to waste on digital/gimmick games.

Yeah, which is a Move game. See above. Is it ok to be a new IP for a gimmick? Because the content i'm remarking on says otherwise.

Hence this is evidence of SCE mismanagment no? Going from 4M sales per game and exclusive, with a 93.5% meta to 1M with a 79% meta (the extra 6% doesn't change anything) for a multiplatform game. According to the post i'm challenging. It counts. Sorry.

Knack is a good example of SCE management? And Bloodborne. Really? It wasn't even their game.

Ueda's been temping at ICO for years now. He's leaving for good after TLG. Good example of Sony nurturing their internal studios? A 10 year dev time followed by employee exodus?Good example of SCE management? I hope not.

I don't, they're made up. I'm referring to GT6 selling a fraction of GT5 which sold at a fraction of the pace of GT4. Good example of SCE management? I hope not.

Yeah if it had a low meta and was a new ip. For the flagship game of a game publisher? Is that good SCE management? How do you think Rockstar or Activision would feel if GTA 6 and Modern Warefare sold 1/4 of what they're used to?Good example of SCE management? I hope not.

Good to know GT7's aim is to sell more than 5M this generation then. Seldom the high bar it used to be measured at.Good example of SCE management? I hope not.

Hence, "they work on endless Uncharted games" ...4 games evidently is enough. At least according to that tirade.Good example of SCE management? I hope not.

As is Lionhead, but according to drek "Proceeded to have them make nothing but Fable games" is bad management, hence not making new IP = bad management. Hence Sony Bend.Good example of SCE management? I hope not.

LOL You and you're collaborations. As if a studio should be satisfied providing development support for another teams games or a annual sports game. Will their new game be able to top their last breakout hit: HIGH VELOCITY BOWLING (PSN Only) Good example of SCE management? I hope not.

Well SSM should be happy to know that despite their new IP being cut off at the knees and their last title being rated poorly and selling worse, at least I didn't play them. Still good example of SCE management? I hope not.

The studio was gutted. Sony says they're focusing on driveclub DLC, not "the next big thing" or a sequel. The former employess say they don't have the remaining staff to make a new retail game. So Evolution is either going to make Driveclub forever and ever AMEN or more likely, as long as the studio is around. Next February then. Sony is legally only allowed to fire a certain number of people at a time in the UK. Good example of SCE management? I hope not.

I don't see why me playing it makes any difference. Are you really going to argue driveclub as a good example of management?

Most of us didn't play shadowfall. We didn't want to. That's why GG is making Horizons. But hey. A single new IP that isn't a digital only/Vita/Move/Morpheous/sequel. Good example of SCE management? ...YES....when Killzone 5 is the alternative.

I'm just responding in kind to dreks ramblings based on his conclusions. If closing studios, milking ips and making gimmick/digital games is bad management. Then this truly is one area SCE is better then MS.

I can see the general reaction to my post so I'm going to explain in what context I was talking about: I'm talking about the Tombraider situation. As the PS4 userbase grows much bigger than the XB1 userbase, the amount of money MS need to pay for exclusivity (timed or otherwise) will also grow, and eventually it won't be worth it for either MS or the devs involved. It's not just the game sales the devs are losing, it's the DLC sales too.

Do people really think that MS want to lose exclusive 3rd party support? Truth it that they have 10M less X1s out there than PS4s. They have to pay a lot more than Sony would to get 3rd party exclusives and since they do not have enough units out there, the money they spend on 3rd party exclusives will not pay off. Sony on the other hand can benefit from exclusive 3rd party support because they pay less to keep it off other platform (because they hold the majority of the market share).

MS will not fund 3rd party exclusives because they will lose money. It's not a case of supporting one or the other like Phil makes it sound, if you have the better market share you can support both very strongly without taking one away from the other.

The 360 had the bigger market share last gen hence why they supported more 3rd party games. Phil is just trying to make a negative sound like a positive.

He didn't say that. Focusing on IP they own instead of IP they don't own is important to them in the long term.

Sony will also have to pay more going forward, because in 6-7 years when the PS4 is 140M and the XBO is 70M, Sony will have to pay to keep it off of 70M XBO, which is 3x what the PS4 is now.

What are your expectations? They can't even keep No Mans Sky exclusive for more than a few months. SFV doesn't even get a timed exclusive with the PC version. It's same day.

LOL....Translation: Were no longer paying for IP's we cant keep. Lets pay third party for IP's we can own because we can't make them ourselves.

Is that what Bloodborne is?

answers are in bolded. my my is this one of the worst posts i ever seen, lol. 

If you've read some of his other stuff then that really shouldn't surprise you. :D

Co developed by first and second party (Contracted studio). FYI if Sony and Fromsoftware wouldn't have worked together there would be no Demon Souls. It just would've been another Kings Field. :)

Sony has been working by contract with From Software since the Demon Souls  contract. Sony could've made a Demon Souls with them, but unlike Microsoft Sony likes to switch it up. They pushed them to make a great formula and lightening striking twice isn't half bad.

 Sony co-develops quite a bit with smaller companies. Sony Santamonica could be out making badass first party AAA IP's but Sony uses them to help out third party with first party titles that they contracted them for. You see..having first party which is actually great is good because you can actually help people. Sony Santamonica is high on a lot of gamers lists as far as ability to develop games.

Thank you for taking the time and writing all of that.  I simply ignore posts like his because they never lead to a constructive discussion, but rather endless bashing.  I highlighted your last point because it was a gem of its own. :D