And how could you prove that? I'm not challanging you to, i'm just saying how are you going to prove that it isn't? And how can you prove something like Bloodborne is?

I'd say that depends on the size of the contribution. Robert Downey Jnr. was inspired casting for Tony Stark in Iron Man, without which we might not have the MCU today. Whoever decided that was a genius and is easily the biggest contribution to IM and may be the singularly most important decision in how the MCU continued.  Do we even know the name of the guy who did the lighting?

It's certainly up for discussion, but unless you can prove it you can't make a blanket statement about such things.

I'd say Halo and Gears are at opposite end of the spectrum. Microsoft acquired a team and a year and a half later a phenomenon was born. With Gears, Microsoft didn't acquire that team, they just made it happen. When the chance arose, they brought it in house.

They were involved with each years before release, but ownership just came it different times.

• Infamous, LBP, Motorstorm, killzone were IPS from 3rd party studios Sony purchased later (in some cases, years later) after release of said games...so Fable, Gears must count right?
• Uncharted, Horizon and Driveclub were all from studios Sony already owned from an earlier purchase....just like MS already owned Bungie and Rare when they made Halo and VP and KS and Sea of Thieves.
• Yes, GT and gow were legit built from the ground up, just like Forza and Kinect Adventures.
  

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/first-party

Adjective

first-party ‎(not comparable)

1. Of or relating to someone directly involved in a given transaction, such as a buyer or seller.
2. Of or relating to the plaintiff in a lawsuit.
3. (video games) Of a video game, a character, etc., created or published by the company responsible for the platform on which it is released (or its internal developers), as opposed to third-party.

Definition confirms. It's a publishers relation to the console. If they build the console, they're first party.

How ironic is that? You're backing someone that says that Quantum Break is not owned by MS and dismisses KI as a quality game based on its method of delivery. Even though KI is already available on physical format since... a year ago.

Not twisting anything. You literally said Bloodborne is different because Sony can also make their own games. Protip: MS also develops games. I hope that helps.

So are you saying that MS owns Alan Wake and that KI didn't exist before the Xbox or not? Don't immediately lose your cool I'm just making a joke based on the fact that I'm pretty sure you know that those 2 statements of his were in fact true.

Idk, maybe he's saying the parts about IP ownership are wrong. And maybe when it comes to Killer Instinct, he's disagreeing with the idea that being digital only is a negative (protip: being digital only is not a negative {bonus protip: KI is not digital only}). Or maybe he thinks KI is better than MK or SF?

Regarding ignorance bordering trolling, idk, the guy Goats quoted clearly doesn't know much about what he's talking about, but I wouldn't say he's trolling.

Why are you mad?

Is it true that Quantum Break situation is like Alan Wake's? Because he mentions Alan Wake as an example of QB's situation.

He mentions KI in a dismissive way. Is KI a less game than MK because it is presumably a download only game?

Uh...what? Where am I mad? Dude I'm focusing on nothing but those 2 statements, which are true, that you crossed out while saying that you scratched everything that was wrong with his post, I don't care about the rest of his post nor do I care about the discussion between you 2.

It was just a J-O-K-E.

I'm demonstrating how Dreks comments about how the following are apparently evidence of mismanaged first party:

• Exclusives being ported to other hardware
• Digital/Gimmick Games not counting cuz reasons
• Lack of new IP
• Studio closure
• Studios being gutted
• Degredation of existing IP
• Suppression of new IP

And how they can be mirrored to apply to Sony Computer Entertainment. I already said I don't necessarily agree with them, but like for like SCE is poorly managed also under the same conditions. Worse even. Playstation Nows precedent means it's highly likely I won't need a PS4 to play Horizon by the end of this gen (i'm guessing sooner cus who wants to stream last gen lookin' PS3 games in 2020?), whereas MS giving us XB1 Streaming to W10 makes it less likely for them to port games to PC as it's fundementally the same thing.

Either way, MS didn't spend $380M on a service deliberately intended to reduce the number of exclusives on their console. Sony did....and damn them if they ever do. Damn them all to heck!

Youre deflecting and ignoring my point. Do you think the Gakai purchase is the reason PS4's holiday line up is weak? Answer that question.

There have been some exclusives on X1 but nothing the masses consider notable. Frankly, outside of Bloodborne (3rd party developed) this is considered a shitty year for Sony 1st party.

MS has their exclusives coming up and the PS4 looks weak in comparison this holiday.

Anyhow, we got lots of exclusives from both Sony and MS last gen but the reality is many if not most bombed. This is why both companies release fewer 1st party games this gen. Which is okay because 3rd parties also give us plenty to play.

I wasn't aware of the first bullet point. Then no Infamous, LBP, Killzone and Motorstom do no not count. But Dreams, Horizon, Driveclub or a new IP that sucker punch comes up with does. Because not all publishers are willing to let a developer move on from a flagship series.

A game takes a long time to concept and create. Halo existed in form before Microsoft aquired Bungie. If Microsoft aquired Bungie, and afterwards they created the concept of Halo and Microsoft gave them the green light then it would count. I'm not sure what KS is, and Sea of Thieves definitely counts. Hopefully it's good because it looks quite interesting!
 
I did say Forza was created from the ground up by a Microsft studio.. Oh yes Kinect Adventures, how could I forget such a masterpiece. My bad, it's such a big IP that we always look forward to it, every time one comes out.. no, it's not a big IP. It sold a lot as it was bundled with a Kinect, but if you see Kinect Adventures in the same light as Forza then I don't know what to say..