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Captain_Yuri said:
Miyamotoo said:

Yes, but I dont give a big attention to Reggie. :)

Wii U is selling even worse than GC and Nintendo admited that they had big problems with translation to HD and that they very understaintment HD development, add that Zelda U will be biggest and probably most ambitious game (not just a Zelda game) for Nintendo till now.

Wii was new console and 16:9 new standard so of course they will add 16:9 support, and Wii was all about motion controls thats was main point of Wii, thats why they add Motion Controls. Also you forgetting that Wii is basically OC GC, so porting GC game to Wii was a piece of cake very fast and cheap, and we already know that NX will have different architecture than Wii U, probably AMD or ARM cpu. Making 1080p/60fps would basically means that Nintendo need to make whole graphic almost from beginning, Nintendo certainly will not want to spend resources, money and time on same game when they can spend all that on development for a new game. Simply port will take them much less time, money and resources.

Yea it is but the point I am trying to get at is that at the time of the GC... Nintendo didn't know they would have another console that would sell worse nor did they know that the wii was going to sell that much better. Yet the GC had many ambitious titles. And yes, I agree that this Zelda is the most ambitious game yet hence why you can see why I want it to be wiiU exclusive. See the thing is, I understand that HD development has been tough for them but considering how many big name titles that the wiiU is missing like Pokemon or Metroid and etc, the wiiU need something like Zelda to make it worth it

And yes, I know the reasoning why they added it but that doesn't make it any less of an enhanced port cause they really could have gotten away with doing less and still selling about the same amount but they didn't. They could have easily had a more simplistic motion controls instead of doing so many different gestures for each minigame and bow and etc. I mean, I remember many praising just the fishing game at the start for being so perfect. Also while I agree that switching from PowerPC to x86 would take some work, I doubt Nintendo just wants to leave it at that. Cause again, going back to TP, there were many motion controls elements that were quite impressive and those certainly took quite a bit of work to get right

And making something 1080p 60fps really doesn't take very long since game developers make the assests from higher resolutions anyway and unlocking the frame rate is veryyyy easy. Why do you think we have sooo many remasters? And enhancing the graphics would make people want to get the NX version and also show off the NX's true potential and it would also force the wiiU fans to upgrade if they want the best experience so there are plenty of reasons for doing so

Not just about sales, Nintendo had very big problems with Wii U, they made a very bad decision with it that they couldn't correct. This is their worst console generation ever in sales, not just home console, handheld too. 3DS start very bad so they give a big push in order to revive sales of 3DS and Wii U was suffer because that too. Also this gen they post their first loose in history of company, so that effects lots a staffs, they made some important decisions about future, add to all that very big and understated problems. Add to that big and understatement HD development problems, and that Zelda U is ambitious game ever. This gen is a mess in every way, so I can understand if we missing some games like Metroid (i think only game that Wii U library will really miss) or Zelda U be ported to NX. 

Well if are they already forced (because all games on launch in first year had motion controls) to do motion controls on TP port, they will do that right. Also I personally didn't mind motion controls in TP, but I saw lot of people preferring GC version because of controls.

Not just about PowerPC, Wii is basically OC GC with motion controls, exactly same hardware, tools, developments kits...like I wrote porting GC game on Wii was peace of cake, very fast and cheap. We already know that NX will not have exactly same architecture. Like I wrote they needed to do motion controls for Wii port because there was other option on launch. I didn't say they will leave it exactly same like Wii U version, maybe they again do different controls or adapt to NX gimmick similar like TP Wii version.

1080p/60fps would take much more resources than simply port and like I wrote Nintendo certainly will not do that. You can see similar situation with Wii, they could easily remaster some Wii games in HD like Mario Galaxy games and Zelda TP and SS, they could easily sale few millions of those games on Wii U and in same time show up true potential of Wii U. Lots of fans expecting something like that, I didn't because that's not Nintendo philosophy of games and how they think and work.


 


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Miyamotoo said:

Not just about sales, Nintendo had very big problems with Wii U, they made a very bad decision with it that they couldn't correct. This is their worst console generation ever in sales, not just home console, handheld too. 3DS start very bad so they give a big push in order to revive sales of 3DS and Wii U was suffer because that too. Also this gen they post their first loose in history of company, so that effects lots a staffs, they made some important decisions about future, add to all that very big and understated problems. Add to that big and understatement HD development problems, and that Zelda U is ambitios game ever. This gen is a mess in every way, so I can understand if we missing some games like Metroid (i think only game that Wii U library will really miss) or Zelda U be ported to NX. 

Well if are they already forced (because all games on launch in first year had motion controls) to do motion controls on TP port, they will do that right. Also I personally didn't mind motion controls in TP, but I saw lot of people preferring GC version because of controls.

Not just about PowerPC, Wii is basically OC GC with motion controls, exactly same hardware, tools, developments kits...like I wrote porting GC game on Wii was peace of cake, very fast and cheap. We already know that NX will not have exactly same architecture. Like I wrote they needed to do motion controls for Wii port because there was other option on launch. I didn't say they will leave it exactly same like Wii U version, maybe they again do different controls or adapt to NX gimmick similar like TP Wii version.

1080p/60fps would take much more resources than simply port and like I wrote Nintendo certainly will not do that. You can see similar situation with Wii, they could easily remaster some Wii games in HD like Mario Galaxy games and Zelda TP and SS, they could easily sale few millions of those games on Wii U and in same time show up true potential of Wii U. Lots of fans expecting something like that, I didn't because that's not Nintendo philosophy of games and how they think and work.


Well we can all understand why but that doesn't make it any less horrible... I put money into a product from that company and it is their job to make sure my money gets a very good return... The fact that not only does it not have many big name games at all like Pokemon or Metroid but it also won't be getting an Zelda Exclusive is pure and utter nonsense at best from a consumer standpoint. Hence why, they should either stick to their guns cause they know for a fact that Zelda will be profitable regardless and make the wiiU fans happy or lose loyal customers cause when shit hits the fan, its the loyal customers that they have to fall back to and I certainly won't be one of them if they port Zelda to the NX. Also the fact that Zelda hasn't been Nintendo's premier system seller for quite a while now so it really isn't out of the question if they simply have something better like Mario Kart 9 or Pokemon or something as a launch title and leave Zelda to the wiiU owners to play with for a year

I agree that porting to from GC to Wii architecture wise is easier than porting from PowerPC to NX but redoing tons of gameplay elements to suite motion controls is not... I think you are greatly underestimating the amount of time it takes to even do all those things. And like I wrote before which you continue to ignore is the fact that if they just wanted a simple port, they would have made the motion controls a lot more basic than it really was. And I doubt that it will be a control scheme that is that different and if it is, we don't know that yet. But what we do know that it will be more powerful than the wiiU so it is safe to assume that the graphics will be improved

And its funny that you keep on saying "Nintendo will not do this and Nintendo will not do that cause Nintendo isn't like that" and that "you know everything about Nintendo" while simply ignoring the fact that this is the first time since 1986 that a console will not have an exclusive Zelda game. That is cherry picking at its finest... If Nintendo really wasn't like that sorta of a company, they really would just leave Zelda U to the wiiU and port it later cause that is how it has always been and it would make everyone happy

Also, if the NX has superior controls than the wiiU... Oh look, I am suddenly enjoying my game less



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:
Miyamotoo said:

Not just about sales, Nintendo had very big problems with Wii U, they made a very bad decision with it that they couldn't correct. This is their worst console generation ever in sales, not just home console, handheld too. 3DS start very bad so they give a big push in order to revive sales of 3DS and Wii U was suffer because that too. Also this gen they post their first loose in history of company, so that effects lots a staffs, they made some important decisions about future, add to all that very big and understated problems. Add to that big and understatement HD development problems, and that Zelda U is ambitios game ever. This gen is a mess in every way, so I can understand if we missing some games like Metroid (i think only game that Wii U library will really miss) or Zelda U be ported to NX. 

Well if are they already forced (because all games on launch in first year had motion controls) to do motion controls on TP port, they will do that right. Also I personally didn't mind motion controls in TP, but I saw lot of people preferring GC version because of controls.

Not just about PowerPC, Wii is basically OC GC with motion controls, exactly same hardware, tools, developments kits...like I wrote porting GC game on Wii was peace of cake, very fast and cheap. We already know that NX will not have exactly same architecture. Like I wrote they needed to do motion controls for Wii port because there was other option on launch. I didn't say they will leave it exactly same like Wii U version, maybe they again do different controls or adapt to NX gimmick similar like TP Wii version.

1080p/60fps would take much more resources than simply port and like I wrote Nintendo certainly will not do that. You can see similar situation with Wii, they could easily remaster some Wii games in HD like Mario Galaxy games and Zelda TP and SS, they could easily sale few millions of those games on Wii U and in same time show up true potential of Wii U. Lots of fans expecting something like that, I didn't because that's not Nintendo philosophy of games and how they think and work.


Well we can all understand why but that doesn't make it any less horrible... I put money into a product from that company and it is their job to make sure my money gets a very good return... The fact that not only does it not have many big name games at all like Pokemon or Metroid but it also won't be getting an Zelda Exclusive is pure and utter nonsense at best from a consumer standpoint. Hence why, they should either stick to their guns cause they know for a fact that Zelda will be profitable regardless and make the wiiU fans happy or lose loyal customers cause when shit hits the fan, its the loyal customers that they have to fall back to and I certainly won't be one of them if they port Zelda to the NX. Also the fact that Zelda hasn't been Nintendo's premier system seller for quite a while now so it really isn't out of the question if they simply have something better like Mario Kart 9 or Pokemon or something as a launch title and leave Zelda to the wiiU owners to play with for a year

I agree that porting to from GC to Wii architecture wise is easier than porting from PowerPC to NX but redoing tons of gameplay elements to suite motion controls is not... I think you are greatly underestimating the amount of time it takes to even do all those things. And like I wrote before which you continue to ignore is the fact that if they just wanted a simple port, they would have made the motion controls a lot more basic than it really was. And I doubt that it will be a control scheme that is that different and if it is, we don't know that yet. But what we do know that it will be more powerful than the wiiU so it is safe to assume that the graphics will be improved

And its funny that you keep on saying "Nintendo will not do this and Nintendo will not do that cause Nintendo isn't like that" and that "you know everything about Nintendo" while simply ignoring the fact that this is the first time since 1986 that a console will not have an exclusive Zelda game. That is cherry picking at its finest... If Nintendo really wasn't like that sorta of a company, they really would just leave Zelda U to the wiiU and port it later cause that is how it has always been and it would make everyone happy

Also, if the NX has superior controls than the wiiU... Oh look, I am suddenly enjoying my game less

Completely disagree. OK we don't have Metroid or Pokemon, but we have games like Pikmin, Yoshi and Star Fox. And about Zelda, I will enjoying Zelda U on Wii U same regardless if it will be ported on NX or not, that will not effect on Wii U Zelda game at all (only if they don't release NX version first).

I already wrote if they making motion controls for TP Wii version they will do that right, not some half done work. Wii U is much more powerful console than Wii, and we didn't get any Wii games with upgraded graphic.

Yes, but they never were in such bad position, like I already wrote, this gen they had they first loose in history of Nintendo, so they will do whatever it takes to have very good launch for NX, and that includes Zelda U port. Majority Zelda fans wont mind if Zelda U gets NX port and thats scenario that all makes (almost) everybody happy, but not realising Zelda U game on Wii U would make very angry Nintendo and Zelda fans.

How exactly can NX have superior controls!? Wii U gamepad is perfect for Zelda game, WW HD is a proof of that and I think Zelda U will exploit even more gamepad.



Miyamotoo said:

Completely disagree. OK we don't have Metroid or Pokemon, but we have games like Pikmin, Yoshi and Star Fox. And about Zelda, I will enjoying Zelda U on Wii U same regardless if it will be ported on NX or not, that will not effect on Wii U Zelda game at all (only if they don't release NX version first).

I already wrote if they making motion controls for TP Wii version they will do that right, not some half done work. Wii U is much more powerful console than Wii, and we didn't get any Wii games with upgraded graphic.

Yes, but they never were in such bad position, like I already wrote, this gen they had they first loose in history of Nintendo, so they will do whatever it takes to have very good launch for NX, and that includes Zelda U port. Majority Zelda fans wont mind if Zelda U gets NX port and thats scenario that all makes (almost) everybody happy, but not realising Zelda U game on Wii U would make very angry Nintendo and Zelda fans.

How exactly can NX have superior controls!? Wii U gamepad is perfect for Zelda game, WW HD is a proof of that and I think Zelda U will exploit even more gamepad.

But here's the thing... I don't care about Pikmin, Yoshi or Starfox... Neither does most people if they could rather have either Pokemon, Metroid or Fire Emblem... And thats great that you will enjoy it but remember, this conversation is about me... Not you... You are the one that decided to quote me so remember that. And I will be enjoying it a lot less if it gets ported to the NX cause they will certainly make it different and most likely, for the better on the NX cause thats how logic works and Nintendo has shown that they are willing to make it different.

So we agree that it is much more than a simple port then? Cause when you put that much work into it... It sure changes from being a simple port to an enhanced port... And yes, we didn't but that is irrelevant cause there was no TP sitution on the wii to wiiU

And this is exactly what I am talking about as to me not having confidence in the company if they do this... If in the future, Nintendo has another bad loss like the wiiU which they will cause they fucked up in the past, they will pull another zelda U because they will officially make sure that the development of their games including the base ones are greatly attacted to the success of failure of a platform which is the worst way to go for a customer. Cause then, if I buy any future Nintendo platforms at launch, I have no way of knowing which games it will be getting exclusively and whether or not I will regret purchasing it later if they decide to skip the major big IPs that most people want and only make the ones that people care less about. Giving us the best Zelda yet would at least show that they are willing to give us something ambitious regardless of the sales and they will continue their tradition of releasing the 4 key games exclusively which will make me a lot more confident in them going forward

Yes, majority of the fans might not mind if Zelda U gets ported to the NX but some of the fans will vs no fans will mind if Zelda remains wiiU exclusive and gets ported to the NX a year or so later. Specially if they have a big hitter like Mario Kart or something instead for the launch of the NX. While MK + Zelda looks better on paper, they will certainly lose me as a loyal customer due to the reasons I already said and Nintendo needs as many loyal customers as they can get cause when shit hits the fan, they sure are lacking in loyal fans with wallets... Also idk where you got the whole "not releasing" the game on wiiU part cause neither of us said that.

The controller itself might be better cause the gamepad/pro controller isn't the most comfortable/advanced thing in the world. They can have pressure sensitive triggers, they can have a better button layout and other various things they can do to make it more ergonomic. And who knows what the controller might even look like to begin with since we don't know what the NX even is yet... There is no reason it can't have better controls than the wiiU. And yes, things like pressure sensitive triggers can improve the gameplay experience greatly such as being able to accurately adjust the speed of the horse or how far the bow will go and etc. If they are willing to break tradition that they havn't broke since 1986 and have a console without an exclusive Zelda, saying that the NX version won't be better than the wiiU version in some way cause Nintendo has never done it before is pure nonsense



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:
Miyamotoo said:

Completely disagree. OK we don't have Metroid or Pokemon, but we have games like Pikmin, Yoshi and Star Fox. And about Zelda, I will enjoying Zelda U on Wii U same regardless if it will be ported on NX or not, that will not effect on Wii U Zelda game at all (only if they don't release NX version first).

I already wrote if they making motion controls for TP Wii version they will do that right, not some half done work. Wii U is much more powerful console than Wii, and we didn't get any Wii games with upgraded graphic.

Yes, but they never were in such bad position, like I already wrote, this gen they had they first loose in history of Nintendo, so they will do whatever it takes to have very good launch for NX, and that includes Zelda U port. Majority Zelda fans wont mind if Zelda U gets NX port and thats scenario that all makes (almost) everybody happy, but not realising Zelda U game on Wii U would make very angry Nintendo and Zelda fans.

How exactly can NX have superior controls!? Wii U gamepad is perfect for Zelda game, WW HD is a proof of that and I think Zelda U will exploit even more gamepad.

But here's the thing... I don't care about Pikmin, Yoshi or Starfox... Neither does most people if they could rather have either Pokemon, Metroid or Fire Emblem... And thats great that you will enjoy it but remember, this conversation is about me... Not you... You are the one that decided to quote me so remember that. And I will be enjoying it a lot less if it gets ported to the NX cause they will certainly make it different and most likely, for the better on the NX cause thats how logic works and Nintendo has shown that they are willing to make it different.

So we agree that it is much more than a simple port then? Cause when you put that much work into it... It sure changes from being a simple port to an enhanced port... And yes, we didn't but that is irrelevant cause there was no TP sitution on the wii to wiiU

And this is exactly what I am talking about as to me not having confidence in the company if they do this... If in the future, Nintendo has another bad loss like the wiiU which they will cause they fucked up in the past, they will pull another zelda U because they will officially make sure that the development of their games including the base ones are greatly attacted to the success of failure of a platform which is the worst way to go for a customer. Cause then, if I buy any future Nintendo platforms at launch, I have no way of knowing which games it will be getting exclusively and whether or not I will regret purchasing it later if they decide to skip the major big IPs that most people want and only make the ones that people care less about. Giving us the best Zelda yet would at least show that they are willing to give us something ambitious regardless of the sales and they will continue their tradition of releasing the 4 key games exclusively which will make me a lot more confident in them going forward

Yes, majority of the fans might not mind if Zelda U gets ported to the NX but some of the fans will vs no fans will mind if Zelda remains wiiU exclusive and gets ported to the NX a year or so later. Specially if they have a big hitter like Mario Kart or something instead for the launch of the NX. While MK + Zelda looks better on paper, they will certainly lose me as a loyal customer due to the reasons I already said and Nintendo needs as many loyal customers as they can get cause when shit hits the fan, they sure are lacking in loyal fans with wallets... Also idk where you got the whole "not releasing" the game on wiiU part cause neither of us said that.

The controller itself might be better cause the gamepad/pro controller isn't the most comfortable/advanced thing in the world. They can have pressure sensitive triggers, they can have a better button layout and other various things they can do to make it more ergonomic. And who knows what the controller might even look like to begin with since we don't know what the NX even is yet... There is no reason it can't have better controls than the wiiU. And yes, things like pressure sensitive triggers can improve the gameplay experience greatly such as being able to accurately adjust the speed of the horse or how far the bow will go and etc. If they are willing to break tradition that they havn't broke since 1986 and have a console without an exclusive Zelda, saying that the NX version won't be better than the wiiU version in some way cause Nintendo has never done it before is pure nonsense

OK, thats yours taste of games.

Different controls doesn't means that isn't simply port.

Like I wrote this is their worst generation in business sense in history of company, this never happened before for them, it not like this happening all the time, and I can't really see any next Nintendo console that will sell less than Wii U. This gen Nintendo is in a transition, and making some big changes and all that effects this gen.

I absolutely love gamepad (especially in Zelda WW HD) so I cant see what Nintendo need to do with controls on NX port that gives me better experience.
I already wrote why is this generation so different in comparison with any previous gen and that will probably lead to Zelda U port, but they don't have any reason to upgrade graphic on that port, because of that matter nothing really didn't change this gen. I already wrote you example that they did not release any Wii Remaster version for Wii U.

We started going in circle, I think you making big deal that Zelda U will probably will not be exclusive title, but that's you, and you really don't should expect any graphical upgrade for Zelda NX port, you shouldn't expect anything difrent then different type of controller.



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Miyamotoo said:

OK, thats yours taste of games.

Different controls doesn't means that isn't simply port.

Like I wrote this is their worst generation in business sense in history of company, this never happened before for them, it not like this happening all the time, and I can't really see any next Nintendo console that will sell less than Wii U. This gen Nintendo is in a transition, and making some big changes and all that effects this gen.

I absolutely love gamepad (especially in Zelda WW HD) so I cant see what Nintendo need to do with controls on NX port that gives me better experience.
I already wrote why is this generation so different in comparison with any previous gen and that will probably lead to Zelda U port, but they don't have any reason to upgrade graphic on that port, because of that matter nothing really didn't change this gen. I already wrote you example that they did not release any Wii Remaster version for Wii U.

We started going in circle, I think you making big deal that Zelda U will probably will not be exclusive title, but that's you, and you really don't should expect any graphical upgrade for Zelda NX port, you shouldn't expect anything difrent then different type of controller.

Obviously...

Uhh… Yes it does when it is changed to this degree…

Guess what… No one saw the wiiU selling this low after the wii either… But oh look, it happened

I like it but I don’t love it. And of course you don’t but they will just like they did it with TP and unless you have any proof that they won't, there is a far greater chance they will cause they want to make the NX as appealing as possible.
Yea you did say why its different but that doesn’t change the fact that it can happen again… No one thought that the wiiU would sell this low just like how you're thinking that any future Nintendo consoles won’t sell this low but guess what, it happened and it will happen. See, the thing here is that what you don't see right now... Many people didn't see in the past but that sure didn't stop it from happening. And yes they didn’t but I don’t get what that is relevant… A graphical upgrade doesn’t make a game a remaster… They can advertise it as a remaster sure, or they can advertise it as an enhanced port

And why shouldn’t I expect it? Cause some random person on the internet says so while completely ignoring that this is the first time in the history of Nintendo that a console won’t have an exclusive Zelda game? You aren’t a magical time traveler that knows the future nor do you work for Nintendo. Yes the wiiU is selling bad but again, you continue to ignore the fact that Zelda U will still sell loads of software on the wiiU and whatever big hitter they release on the NX will sell the NX and that way, both fans will be happy. The way you are saying is not going to make everyone happy. And the reason why they would make the NX version have better graphics is to show off what the NX can do and to make it more enticing for the fans to want it instead of sticking/getting the wiiU version. And you havn’t told me why they wouldn’t apart from “Oh its Nintendo, they don’t do that” which is not a valid explanation. Yea they didn’t release any games with better graphics for the wii to wiiU but the wii to wiiU didn’t have a TP/Zelda U situation which is also something that you are ignoring

And yes… Of course its me… This entire thing is about my opinion which you quoted… I don’t understand why you quoted me only to say that my opinion is my opinion… Cause no duh its me…

Anyway, this is going no where so lets stop here and you can have the last word

See the thing is and what you don't seem to understand is that many people didn't see blah happening even though it did... So, even though you don't see something happening again like a new Nintendo console in the future failing as hard as a wiiU doesn't mean it wont happen again and no amount of blind hope will change that. And of course it is my opinion, my tastes and how I feel... That is what the original post was all about which you quoted. So you saying that "its my tastes" and "its me making a big deal" is pure nonsense because no duh it is my tastes and it is me making a big deal because for me, it is a big deal. And no amount of "oh but its not a big deal for me" coming from u will change that cause it may not be a big deal for u but it is for me you are the one that quoted me so I don't understand the point you are trying to achieve here



                  

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I want people to deal with it.  Make a choice and move on or do something instead of just letting it get you down.  It's not like we're in some golden era of gaming right now.  Playstation 4 and Xbox One owners are chomping at the bit for the same things Wii U owners are, so be humble and happy with what is available and try not to worry about the things that aren't available yet.  

 

 

P.S. Unlike the Wii, the Wii U is going to receive support from Nintendo even after the next console is released. 



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Captain_Yuri said:
Miyamotoo said:

OK, thats yours taste of games.

Different controls doesn't means that isn't simply port.

Like I wrote this is their worst generation in business sense in history of company, this never happened before for them, it not like this happening all the time, and I can't really see any next Nintendo console that will sell less than Wii U. This gen Nintendo is in a transition, and making some big changes and all that effects this gen.

I absolutely love gamepad (especially in Zelda WW HD) so I cant see what Nintendo need to do with controls on NX port that gives me better experience.
I already wrote why is this generation so different in comparison with any previous gen and that will probably lead to Zelda U port, but they don't have any reason to upgrade graphic on that port, because of that matter nothing really didn't change this gen. I already wrote you example that they did not release any Wii Remaster version for Wii U.

We started going in circle, I think you making big deal that Zelda U will probably will not be exclusive title, but that's you, and you really don't should expect any graphical upgrade for Zelda NX port, you shouldn't expect anything difrent then different type of controller.

Obviously...

Uhh… Yes it does when it is changed to this degree…

Guess what… No one saw the wiiU selling this low after the wii either… But oh look, it happened

I like it but I don’t love it. And of course you don’t but they will just like they did it with TP and unless you have any proof that they won't, there is a far greater chance they will cause they want to make the NX as appealing as possible.
Yea you did say why its different but that doesn’t change the fact that it can happen again… No one thought that the wiiU would sell this low just like how you're thinking that any future Nintendo consoles won’t sell this low but guess what, it happened and it will happen. See, the thing here is that what you don't see right now... Many people didn't see in the past but that sure didn't stop it from happening. And yes they didn’t but I don’t get what that is relevant… A graphical upgrade doesn’t make a game a remaster… They can advertise it as a remaster sure, or they can advertise it as an enhanced port

And why shouldn’t I expect it? Cause some random person on the internet says so while completely ignoring that this is the first time in the history of Nintendo that a console won’t have an exclusive Zelda game? You aren’t a magical time traveler that knows the future nor do you work for Nintendo. Yes the wiiU is selling bad but again, you continue to ignore the fact that Zelda U will still sell loads of software on the wiiU and whatever big hitter they release on the NX will sell the NX and that way, both fans will be happy. The way you are saying is not going to make everyone happy. And the reason why they would make the NX version have better graphics is to show off what the NX can do and to make it more enticing for the fans to want it instead of sticking/getting the wiiU version. And you havn’t told me why they wouldn’t apart from “Oh its Nintendo, they don’t do that” which is not a valid explanation. Yea they didn’t release any games with better graphics for the wii to wiiU but the wii to wiiU didn’t have a TP/Zelda U situation which is also something that you are ignoring

And yes… Of course its me… This entire thing is about my opinion which you quoted… I don’t understand why you quoted me only to say that my opinion is my opinion… Cause no duh its me…

Anyway, this is going no where so lets stop here and you can have the last word

See the thing is and what you don't seem to understand is that many people didn't see blah happening even though it did... So, even though you don't see something happening again like a new Nintendo console in the future failing as hard as a wiiU doesn't mean it wont happen again and no amount of blind hope will change that. And of course it is my opinion, my tastes and how I feel... That is what the original post was all about which you quoted. So you saying that "its my tastes" and "its me making a big deal" is pure nonsense because no duh it is my tastes and it is me making a big deal because for me, it is a big deal. And no amount of "oh but its not a big deal for me" coming from u will change that cause it may not be a big deal for u but it is for me you are the one that quoted me so I don't understand the point you are trying to achieve here

OK, will stop here, we already wrote everything we think about this matters. Yeah, you're right, it's your opinion, and I had my too.  

 Also we still dont know for sure if NX will really get Zelda U port, maybe NX will have Wii U backward compatibility so there will not be need for port, or maybe even in that case they will little change and adapt to NX hardware and make it launch title similar like they done TP Wii version in comparison with GC version, but I dont expect any graphical upgrade, we will know for sure next year.



I doubt the NX will get backwards compatibility with the Wii U. Even if just adding Espresso is dirt cheap they would have the issue of having to include every single feature of their custom Latte GPU in their new custom APU they order from AMD.
I personally find NX release of Zelda U a travesty as the Wii U would not have its exclusive Zelda. They shouldn't even remaster the game until the NX successor is released. But a NX port is very likely.