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Normchacho on 02 July 2015
Puppyroach said:
What would people's views here be if these news was in regards to MS doing crowdfunding?


A couple of things come to mind.

1. Why on earth is MS crowdfunding project Japan only?

2. What happened to big companies crowdfunding being awful (Shenmue 3)?

3. Sweet, I hope they offer some cool stuff.



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onionberry on 02 July 2015
Normchacho said:
onionberry said:

Well it's not like I hate them, but yeah that's my opinion about somebody who funds the development and research of a billionaire company. And not my opinion overall, my opinion about that specific subject. But, the internet is going to internet and be mad if I say what I think.

The issue isn't your opinion, it's your lack of any argument to back it up. You just said Crowdfunding+big company=bad and haven't even bothered to argue against any of the people that disagree with you. you just keep repeating Crowdfunding+big company=bad, Crowdfunding+big company=bad.


because their reasons to like the idea are not good enough for me to write an essay about "why is this bad?" so I just say my opinion and that's it, not a rebel not anything, just stating an opinion at vgchartz, a forum for opinions.



osed125 on 02 July 2015
Normchacho said:
osed125 said:
Normchacho said:
bunchanumbers said:
Normchacho said:

The downside is that the consumer is footing the bill. This is great for sony.

The consumer foots the bill for every product they buy. That's how buying and selling works.

The only difference between this and pre-ordering something is that the product may not reach it's goal in which case it doesn't cost you anything.

The problem is the product does reach its goal but it gets delayed or outright cancelled. 

When you pre-order a game, you don't put money on the table until the game is in your hands; on crowd funded games, you put the money but you don't know if the game will reach your hands.


Which may happen if you fund a game on kickstarter being made by a group of five guys in a basement. But this is a multi-billion dollar company running a program all on it's own. The terms are very simple. You back a product you are interested in, if that product reaches it's goal of X amount of dollars, that product gets made and the people who backed it get the product. If it fails to reach it's goal, the product doesn't go into production and nobody gets charged anything.

If anything your argument is against crowdfunding as a whole and your scenario is actually much more likely to happen with small crowdfunded projects than it is with programs like the one Sony has started.

Being a multi-million dollar company doesn't mean anything, take a look at the massive failures of Steam's Early Access games (which is a similar concept to crowd funding).

A lot of crap comes and goes to all game store services (Steam, Xbox Live, PSN, Eshop), there's very little quality control in all of them, I don't see why a crowd fund service will be different. 

At the end of day, Sony (or any other company for that matter) cares about the money more than anything else, if the 5 guy dev team in the basement pays their percentage to Sony, but screws the customer, they most likely won't care; it was what the customers "wanted".



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Normchacho on 02 July 2015
onionberry said:
Normchacho said:

The issue isn't your opinion, it's your lack of any argument to back it up. You just said Crowdfunding+big company=bad and haven't even bothered to argue against any of the people that disagree with you. you just keep repeating Crowdfunding+big company=bad, Crowdfunding+big company=bad.


because their reasons to like the idea are not good enough for me to write an essay about "why is this bad?" so I just say my opinion and that's it, not a revel not anything, just stating an opinion at vgchartz, a forum for opinions.


Then why bother responding if you have nothing to add? Who does that help?



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Normchacho on 02 July 2015
osed125 said:
Normchacho said:
osed125 said:
Normchacho said:
bunchanumbers said:
Normchacho said:

 

The problem is the product does reach its goal but it gets delayed or outright cancelled. 

When you pre-order a game, you don't put money on the table until the game is in your hands; on crowd funded games, you put the money but you don't know if the game will reach your hands.


Which may happen if you fund a game on kickstarter being made by a group of five guys in a basement. But this is a multi-billion dollar company running a program all on it's own. The terms are very simple. You back a product you are interested in, if that product reaches it's goal of X amount of dollars, that product gets made and the people who backed it get the product. If it fails to reach it's goal, the product doesn't go into production and nobody gets charged anything.

If anything your argument is against crowdfunding as a whole and your scenario is actually much more likely to happen with small crowdfunded projects than it is with programs like the one Sony has started.

Being a multi-million dollar company doesn't mean anything, take a look at the massive failures of Steam's Early Access games (which is a similar concept to crowd funding).

A lot of crap comes and goes to all game store services (Steam, Xbox Live, PSN, Eshop), there's very little quality control in all of them, I don't see why a crowd fund service will be different. 

At the end of day, Sony (or any other company for that matter) cares about the money more than anything else, if the 5 guy dev team in the basement pays their percentage to Sony, but screws the customer, they most likely won't care; it was what the customers "wanted".

You seem to misunderstand the nature of this program. This isn't a crowdfunding hosted by Sony that allows outside groups to ask for money. Every project up for funding is started by a Sony employee and if a product reaches it's goal it's Sony themselves that make, and distribute it.



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Aeolus451 on 02 July 2015
onionberry said:
Hynad said:


It's not stupid. In this day and age, where projects cost millions upon millions to create, a crowdfunding campaign can be used to gauge potential interest, which in turn allow companies to see if an item is worth spending on or not. Surely, you haven't lived under a rock the last few years and saw many companies going under because of failed projects... 

But sure, go on and flame people by calling them zombies. That should get you far.

not my problem, I'm not a shareholder nor an investor. Funding a product for a multimillionaire company, just wow. Again, zombies are ok with that, I'm a Nintendo fan but I'm not going to fund their next gimmick or their next zelda.


Oh really, how many people "support" their brand by buying products they don't really want just to support the company?



AbbathTheGrim on 02 July 2015
onionberry said:
AbbathTheGrim said:

What I find really interesting in your opinion is that you seem to show disgust at the notion that people give away their money to big corporation to fund their projects.

Then you go and call that same people, who may possibly contribute, zombies.

So you seem to show both concern and disgust for the same people. If the people who support these companies are dumb zombies, and you think big companies don't deserve money. Then who are you appealing for in here? It would make more sense for you to wish them both to crash and burn because they deserve each other.

Well it's not like I hate them, but yeah that's my opinion about somebody who funds the development and research of a billionaire company. And not my opinion overall, my opinion about that specific subject. But, the internet is going to internet and be mad if I say what I think.

Yeah, that is how the Internet works, it freaks out when we pass judgement on how other people go about their own business. The Internet shouldn't go mad on us for simply trying to label them and giving them pejorative names when we see them do things with their lives that we look down upon.



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Ruler on 02 July 2015
onionberry said:
Ruler said:

you do realize that buying Products from these multi billion dollar companies is funding them ? The product is allready made but youre telling them to keep doing that and go in that direction by buying it. 


"the product is already made" I'm ok with that, I want to give them money and I want to support a company with a good product! 

I don't want to fund a product in development with risks of cancellation if you're a billionaire company with loyal costumers. just my personal opinion, not an universal law.

then dont fund them but dont say others being wrong for funding stuff that doesnt exist yet but can eventually. These sony projects are optional experiremantal stuff that wouldnt have happened in the first place. They are scratches left overs which have now a chance for realization



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onionberry on 02 July 2015
Normchacho said:
onionberry said:


because their reasons to like the idea are not good enough for me to write an essay about "why is this bad?" so I just say my opinion and that's it, not a revel not anything, just stating an opinion at vgchartz, a forum for opinions.


Then why bother responding if you have nothing to add? Who does that help?


not trying to help, just an opinion. If you don't agree with my ways just keep going, I'm just another random user of the forum. so my opinion is as relevant as you want. 



onionberry on 02 July 2015
AbbathTheGrim said:
onionberry said:
AbbathTheGrim said:

What I find really interesting in your opinion is that you seem to show disgust at the notion that people give away their money to big corporation to fund their projects.

Then you go and call that same people, who may possibly contribute, zombies.

So you seem to show both concern and disgust for the same people. If the people who support these companies are dumb zombies, and you think big companies don't deserve money. Then who are you appealing for in here? It would make more sense for you to wish them both to crash and burn because they deserve each other.

Well it's not like I hate them, but yeah that's my opinion about somebody who funds the development and research of a billionaire company. And not my opinion overall, my opinion about that specific subject. But, the internet is going to internet and be mad if I say what I think.

Yeah, that is how the Internet works, it freaks out when we pass judgement on how other people go about their own business. The Internet shouldn't go mad on us for simply trying to label them and giving them pejorative names when we see them do things with their lives that we look down upon.


yeah too sensitive too!