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twintail said:
zorg1000 said:


Casuals don't give a shit about power, Gameboy/DS/Wii/smartphones/tablets prove this.


casuals also dont care about playing mobile games on a TV.


They do care about Nintendo up though.  And at this price point I think they would get on board. Casuals like 2d games and there are a lot of 2d indie games which I think this audience and the Nintendo audience would enjoy.



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carl_barx said:
zorg1000 said:
A $200 console and a $200 handheld that share a library is what I think they will go with.

do you think they're going to use the virtual console to differentiate themselves? this is already a pretty crowded space (nvidia as well, steam a little bit). as in: we have the nes, snes, n64, gb, gba, ds libraries and competitors don't?

i think one of the things they've quietly been doing is registering a lot of patents on emulation across various devices. i see that being a big part of their digital strategy (if they're smart).


That could certainly be a way to differentiate but not the main focus. Nintendo still has a shitload of very popular franchises and now with mobile games/apps, amusement park attractions, and potential movies/series, these franchises names will be everywhere and that's better exposure than simply throwing a ton of money into advertising

Also the fact that with this approach, each device gets 100% of Nintendo's output instead of it being split up, this means each device becomes a more compelling purchase, Nintendo is free to create new IP at a faster rate along with bringing back dormant franchises now that they don't have to make 2 separate entries of all their major franchises.



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twintail said:
zorg1000 said:

And u know this how?


Because the Ouya was such an incredible smash hit.


It was pretty weak.  And Nintendo is going to use their ip to drive sales. Comparing this to ouya is a bit crazy. Nintendo would also spend a lot advertising the console.  



twintail said:
zorg1000 said:

And u know this how?


Because the Ouya was such an incredible smash hit.


Yep, the kickstarter funded device with no exclusive software, no marketing/advertising, that most major retailers never stocked is a very relevant comparison to Nintendo.



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zorg1000 said:
 


That could certainly be a way to differentiate but not the main focus. Nintendo still has a shitload of very popular franchises and now with mobile games/apps, amusement park attractions, and potential movies/series, these franchises names will be everywhere and that's better exposure than simply throwing a ton of money into advertising

Also the fact that with this approach, each device gets 100% of Nintendo's output instead of it being split up, this means each device becomes a more compelling purchase, Nintendo is free to create new IP at a faster rate along with bringing back dormant franchises now that they don't have to make 2 separate entries of all their major franchises.

never thought about it that way, but in some ways all of these rumored/confirmed deals with universal (rides) and sony/disney(?) (movies) are a way to get really effective advertising that actually pays for itself (and then some, if they're successful).

if they do it right it could well be bigger for them (certainly financially) than the wii/ds were. big if tho.



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carl_barx said:
zorg1000 said:
 


That could certainly be a way to differentiate but not the main focus. Nintendo still has a shitload of very popular franchises and now with mobile games/apps, amusement park attractions, and potential movies/series, these franchises names will be everywhere and that's better exposure than simply throwing a ton of money into advertising

Also the fact that with this approach, each device gets 100% of Nintendo's output instead of it being split up, this means each device becomes a more compelling purchase, Nintendo is free to create new IP at a faster rate along with bringing back dormant franchises now that they don't have to make 2 separate entries of all their major franchises.

never thought about it that way, but in some ways all of these rumored/confirmed deals with universal (rides) and sony/disney(?) (movies) are a way to get really effective advertising that actually pays for itself (and then some, if they're successful).

if they do it right it could well be bigger for them (certainly financially) than the wii/ds were. big if tho.


Yep these things are going to bring in revenue for Nintendo as well so it's pretty much a win-win situation. Another thing I forgot to mention is. The account system/rewards program launching this fall. It's confirmed to be on all devices from Nintendo hardware to smartphones to tablets to PC and Iwata spoke about some potential features like the more games u buy, the cheaper they become or a referral program where u get discounts for referring people to other games.

With such a program I could see something like this. Let's say u download a free-to-play Pokémon spinoff on ur smart device, just for downloading it u get a discount on digital version of the new mainline Pokémon game releasing on Nintendo hardware. Then u go on to send invites to ur friends to play with u, each person that downloads it gets u a further discount. Let's say they do this with pretty much all their mobile games and major  releases, now u have multiple games that u have a sizable discount on which gives u a pretty big incentive to buy Nintendo hardware. This is good for Nintendo and the consumer, I get to save money on games while Nintendo is strengthening their digital front which has a higher profit margin than retail.

Ya, Nintendo is in a very good position to make a lot of profit in the coming years. Between the NX family of devices, Amiibo, mobile games/apps, Quality of Life products/services and IP licensing, they can potentially return to or exceed Wii/DS level profits without selling as much hardware/software.



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I think they will use mobile parts similar to the Tegra X1, just made by AMD instead.

BUT, I am getting the feeling that they will have a non-traditional hardware layout, beyond just the shared library. I'm thinking NX is a new form factor/controller type based on how they have described it several times.



twintail said:

Well I disagree with some of the sentiments in here.

I still doubt having a device that plays android games is somehow going to magically making NX a better selling product. the ppl playing these games are playing them on their phones already in a capacity that is far more convenient for them.

yes, Nintendo has their own IPs. But what does that even mean? They had their IP's when N64 showcased a decline for their brand image. They had them for GC, they had them for the WiiU and even for the declining 3DS.

The fact that the incredible selling Wii and DS have had little dividends on the WiiU and 3DS is evidence enough that casuals dont gravitate towards the Nintendo brand. They gravitate towards a type of hardware type that seems novel.

by the time the NX actually arrives, the PS4 and X1 would have been more ingrained into popular culture, and therefore into casual culture. The truth of the matter is that the longer it takes for NX to come, the less relevant it is going to be.

Android games on the NX is not the solution to Nintendo's problems when it comes to both developer and consumer support.

I agree that ventures with Universal and Disney will most likely help their cause: but those ventures are what will help, not android gaming coupled with their own brand. Because their own brand is no nearly as popular as everyone believes to be.

 

Can NX be successful? Sure it can, but I really do not think a smartphone playng console has that much appeal. Maybe I am wrong though. 


It's not simply android games that he's implying will cause NX to sell well. He also mentions to unification of the console & handheld side of Nintendo so that all or most games will be playable on either device. Wii U is a $300 device that only has less than half of the Nintendo games released this generation and very little 3rd party support, in the OP's proposal NX will be a $200 console with 100% of Nintendo's support and solid 3rd party support, that makes it a far more compelling purchase than Wii U.



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If the console and handheld shared the same chip then they would be able to get a better price since nvidia or whomever would be selling the chips in bulk.



twintail said:
zorg1000 said:

It's not simply android games that he's implying will cause NX to sell well. He also mentions to unification of the console & handheld side of Nintendo so that all or most games will be playable on either device. Wii U is a $300 device that only has less than half of the Nintendo games released this generation and very little 3rd party support, in the OP's proposal NX will be a $200 console with 100% of Nintendo's support and solid 3rd party support, that makes it a far more compelling purchase than Wii U.

 

If they are going to unify their console and handheld but as 2 seperate device, who would waste their money on what is being proposed here? You are better off just buying the handheld: you get mobile gaming in the way it is meant to be played, plus you get all the Nintendo first party support.

As a handheld, you have a win-win situation. You dont have that with a console approach. 

Having a handheld and a console that play practically the same game is going to result in one of these falling to the side. Nintendo's handheld sector still caters to casual gamers (who are mostly a mobile on the go market). A console does not. And having the option of 2, I am pretty certain most ppl around the world will stick with the handheld (especially since there wont be a Vita successor I think and because its more familiar to a larger userbase currently) as opposed to getting the console when there will be much better options in both the X1 and PS4 at the same time.

Ultimately it's about freedom of choice, do u prefer playing in short bursts or on the go? Than get the handheld variant. Do u prefer playing on a big TV or local multiplayer with family/friends? Than get the console variant. Do u prefer certain games one way and certain games the other way? Than get both.

Not everybody simply chooses Nintendo handhelds over consoles just because they prefer handhelds better. The handhelds are usually quite a bit cheaper in terms of hardware &:software while also having a much larger software library. Get rid of those barriers and it now just comes down to what form factor u prefer.



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