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Puppyroach said:
No act that any person can ever do, will justify death sentence so a big NO.

Get abused for 25 years emotionally. Think hard on that. I'm pro. If the crime is that horrible, like murder, to whoever or whatever. Do it. Waste of time teaching people lessons. And wasting space. Say a person kills another. What with they learn in jail, ultimatly? If they're sentenced for life. "I'm sorry"? Bullshit.



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Against. Death is an easy out for many of the people who get sentenced. They have nothing to lose.

Another aspect that people may not have considered is wrongful conviction. It has happened before. Well guess what; you can't apologize to a dead man. Hell it's bad enough to send someone to prison wrongfully, but execute them? There is no going back when you sentence someone to death. Besides, I think it is an archaic system existing in a modern world.

It isn't just about what the suspect deserves, either. I know what a lot of people will say; putting these killers/rapists etc in jail (when they don't deserve to live) and wasting tax dollars to keep them alive is a bunch of bullshit. I say it doesn't matter; USA pretty much has a Corporate prison system anyway.

Want a better method? A better area for your tax dollars? Preventative and restorative justice. Invest in the future by spending money now to prevent crime, so you don't pay in lives or money down the road.



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ReimTime said:
Against. Death is an easy out for many of the people who get sentenced. They have nothing to lose.

Another aspect that people may not have considered is wrongful conviction. It has happened before. Well guess what; you can't apologize to a dead man. Hell it's bad enough to send someone to prison wrongfully, but execute them? There is no going back when you sentence someone to death. Besides, I think it is an archaic system existing in a modern world.

It isn't just about what the suspect deserves, either. I know what a lot of people will say; putting these killers/rapists etc in jail (when they don't deserve to live) and wasting tax dollars to keep them alive is a bunch of bullshit. I say it doesn't matter; USA pretty much has a Corporate prison system anyway.

Want a better method? A better area for your tax dollars? Preventative and restorative justice. Invest in the future by spending money now to prevent crime, so you don't pay in lives or money down the road.

Damage is still done if the convicted person is in jail for many years. Oh, we're sorry we found the culprit, you're free.



archer9234 said:
ReimTime said:
Against. Death is an easy out for many of the people who get sentenced. They have nothing to lose.

Another aspect that people may not have considered is wrongful conviction. It has happened before. Well guess what; you can't apologize to a dead man. Hell it's bad enough to send someone to prison wrongfully, but execute them? There is no going back when you sentence someone to death. Besides, I think it is an archaic system existing in a modern world.

It isn't just about what the suspect deserves, either. I know what a lot of people will say; putting these killers/rapists etc in jail (when they don't deserve to live) and wasting tax dollars to keep them alive is a bunch of bullshit. I say it doesn't matter; USA pretty much has a Corporate prison system anyway.

Want a better method? A better area for your tax dollars? Preventative and restorative justice. Invest in the future by spending money now to prevent crime, so you don't pay in lives or money down the road.

Damage is still done if the convicted person is in jail for many years. Oh, we're sorry we found the culprit, you're free.

Yep I agree, hence the bolded. But that sentence had less to do with OP and more to do with a branching topic so I buried it a little in relevant information



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ReimTime said:
archer9234 said:
ReimTime said:
Against. Death is an easy out for many of the people who get sentenced. They have nothing to lose.

Another aspect that people may not have considered is wrongful conviction. It has happened before. Well guess what; you can't apologize to a dead man. Hell it's bad enough to send someone to prison wrongfully, but execute them? There is no going back when you sentence someone to death. Besides, I think it is an archaic system existing in a modern world.

It isn't just about what the suspect deserves, either. I know what a lot of people will say; putting these killers/rapists etc in jail (when they don't deserve to live) and wasting tax dollars to keep them alive is a bunch of bullshit. I say it doesn't matter; USA pretty much has a Corporate prison system anyway.

Want a better method? A better area for your tax dollars? Preventative and restorative justice. Invest in the future by spending money now to prevent crime, so you don't pay in lives or money down the road.

Damage is still done if the convicted person is in jail for many years. Oh, we're sorry we found the culprit, you're free.

Yep I agree, hence the bolded. But that sentence had less to do with OP and more to do with a branching topic so I buried it a little in relevant information

Your preventive measures really needs the cooperation of the enviroment issues around the subject too. You can tell a kid all day this is wrong etc. But if they're getting beaten. Or live in a place that has guns go off every night. And or get infulenced up the ass. It's really not gonna work. Then you run into the issue of "Get the fuck away from me and stop bothereing me about BS I don't care about." response. You can have classes and such on these things. How many people are willing to go to them. You can't force people. I rather just end the person. If they went out and killed 50 people on purpose. No side is perfect. Both ways will have people fall through cracks. Or abused rules. But those boston guys are 100% without fail conviced  proof. So they deserve this penalty.



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Wright said:

Highly doubt anyone in this forum will know where this image comes from. Amazing film by the way.

OT: I'm a bit more extreme. Kill is a quick solution, but I prefer the person to suffer.



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osed125 said:

Highly doubt anyone in this forum will know where this image comes from. Amazing film by the way.


I know someone who does. :)



archer9234 said:
ReimTime said:

Yep I agree, hence the bolded. But that sentence had less to do with OP and more to do with a branching topic so I buried it a little in relevant information

Your preventive measures really needs the cooperation of the enviroment issues around the subject too. You can tell a kid all day this is wrong etc. But if they're getting beaten. Or live in a place that has guns go off every night. And or get infulenced up the ass. It's really not gonna work. Then you run into the issue of "Get the fuck away from me and stop bothereing me about BS I don't care about." response. You can have classes and such on these things. How many people are willing to go to them. You can't force people. I rather just end the person. If they went out and killed 50 people on purpose. No side is perfect. Both ways will have people fall through cracks. Or abused rules.


Yo0u'd rather end the person, but I would much rather change the person at an impressionable age so that they may be able to avoid those caustic environments. In a perfect world, this is what I would love to see:

  • More money put into the social service system (foster care etc) so that at-risk youth may be more likely to follow a better path and not fall through the cracks, or perhaps be in a better position to be steered away from such environments. A lot of these youth are actually asking for help but they just can't get it, so they resort to criminal behavior to either be heard or get by in life. They find protection, sustainablity, and brotherhood in crime because the social service system fails hugely at providing it to them.
  • More money put into education. Education is the most powerful tool in this world. I see your point about people not being willing to go to them; I say make it mandatory. You know how shitty D.A.R.E. education is? It's terrible. There needs to be a reform in the public education system that makes education about these topics much better and mandatory.
  • A restorative justice system for young offenders. The young ones are still impressionable, and I think the best method runs by showing them the consequences of their actions, making them understand what they did, and putting them to work fixing that wrongdoing.
  • If all this comes together, you will have less people that you would rather just end.

My 200000 cents anyhow



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osed125 said:
Wright said:

Highly doubt anyone in this forum will know where this image comes from. Amazing film by the way.

OT: I'm a bit more extreme. Kill is a quick solution, but I prefer the person to suffer.


So are you more of the eye for an eye? Like the Boston bombers. Tie them down and blow up presure cooker bombs next to them. Or generic tortue?

ReimTime said:
archer9234 said:
ReimTime said:

Yep I agree, hence the bolded. But that sentence had less to do with OP and more to do with a branching topic so I buried it a little in relevant information

Your preventive measures really needs the cooperation of the enviroment issues around the subject too. You can tell a kid all day this is wrong etc. But if they're getting beaten. Or live in a place that has guns go off every night. And or get infulenced up the ass. It's really not gonna work. Then you run into the issue of "Get the fuck away from me and stop bothereing me about BS I don't care about." response. You can have classes and such on these things. How many people are willing to go to them. You can't force people. I rather just end the person. If they went out and killed 50 people on purpose. No side is perfect. Both ways will have people fall through cracks. Or abused rules.


Yo0u'd rather end the person, but I would much rather change the person at an impressionable age so that they may be able to avoid those caustic environments. In a perfect world, this is what I would love to see:

  • More money put into the social service system (foster care etc) so that at-risk youth may be more likely to follow a better path and not fall through the cracks, or perhaps be in a better position to be steered away from such environments. A lot of these youth are actually asking for help but they just can't get it, so they resort to criminal behavior to either be heard or get by in life. They find protection, sustainablity, and brotherhood in crime because the social service system fails hugely at providing it to them.
  • More money put into education. Education is the most powerful tool in this world. I see your point about people not being willing to go to them; I say make it mandatory. You know how shitty D.A.R.E. education is? It's terrible. There needs to be a reform in the public education system that makes education about these topics much better and mandatory.
  • A restorative justice system for young offenders. The young ones are still impressionable, and I think the best method runs by showing them the consequences of their actions, making them understand what they did, and putting them to work fixing that wrongdoing.
  • If all this comes together, you will have less people that you would rather just end.

My 200000 cents anyhow

In a perfect world. Yes. But this world runs on money. So it's not gonna happen. Because it would of already. I'm a pesamist. I agree that people can be redeemed. But when it comes to funding. People fail. I can argue other subjects. Like schooling. That should have no funding limit. Since that IS the FUTURE of the world. But still, no one cares if the world is filled with dumb shits.



Are any of you that oppose the death penalty ok with war?