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What do you think of the death sentence?

Well deserved! 201 56.46%
 
He showed remorse; he sho... 73 20.51%
 
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PullusPardus said:

You guys already have too many killers in your prisons ,time to kill then off instead of paying for them to stay alive.

Yeah you can complain all you want about how inhumane it is, but you're the inhumane one for giving criminals free food and shelter, instead of  giving it to people who deserve it. This isn't Saudi Arabia where people are killed for insulting Islam and some other bullshit. This is cut off supply for murderers who do not deserve your tax money. Just put a bullet in his head, you guys love shooting things no?

There are more than enough crazy muzzies who want you dead in the world why give this one so much attention? 


Exactly! There are children starving, veterans that are homeless, people who need an education. These people deserve money before a guy who gets his rocks off for blowing up 8 year olds who are trying to enjoy a sporting event. Seriously people.



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McDonaldsGuy said:
A_C_E said:
Nuvendil said:
The "two wrongs don't make a right" argument faces an obvious issue: all forms of punishment are actions that are wrong on their own without the justification of punishing someone for a criminal act. Is it not wrong to throw someone in a cage for decades? Is it not wrong to restrict their liberties? Is it not every form of punishment wrong outside the context of punishment? Justice is punishment for the evil, protection for the law abiding. The punishment should fit the crime. Oh and sentencing someone to multiple life sentences *is* killing them, essentially. Slowly.

As for this guy, not only has he been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, he even admitted he did it. Under the law, that is sufficient for me to be comfortable with his sentence considering the heinousness of his crime.

But your causing the issue of saying its wrong to lock someone away as if its on the same level as killing someone. It just depends on an individuals psycopathy levels. People are ok with convicted criminals being confined to a jail cell with access to books, workout equipment, jobs/duties and other rights. When it comes to ending another person's life is where I do not consider myself equal in respect to most people in USA.

In no way does this mans existence hinder anybody else outside of the confinements perimeter. What this means is that the only way for this subject to have affect on anyone would be emotionally/mentally. Human beings LOVE to jump to conclusions without reasonable thought and base their knowledge off an emotional standing. Epistemologically speaking this does not make any sense and therefore most likely will not lead to a sensible conclusion, which is why the death penalty still exists today and we kill people who kill other people. Throwing someone in jail is wrong on account of innocence, but when someone is guilty - of anything - top security confinement and life without parole should be the highest conviction served by a court.

Convicting a person then throwing them in jail is offering society the not the piece of mind but the actual assurance of safety. When you kill a convicted murderer you're mearly offering peace of mind; killing someone for peace of mind sounds kind of religious to me, sorry.

We don't kill people who kill people.

We kill people who MURDER people and there is a massive distinction.

"Life without parole" is not even a punishment. If it was why do 98% of people who face the death penalty either appeal it, fight it, or plea bargain it? VERY, VERY few people who face the death penalty accept it.

Jeffrey Dahmer - avoided the death penalty

Richard Ramirez - used every appeal in the books to fight it

Ted Bundy -was a complete mess when he finally was facing the death penalty, apparently fainted

John Wayne Gacy - refused to even believe he was going to die

Charles Manson - thanks goodness every day the death penalty was appealed while he was in jail

Jodi Arias - begged not to have the death penalty

James Holmes (Batman shooter) - is fighting for his life not to face the death penalty

Boston Bomber - obviously trying to avoid it

How is this a punishment?

http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/2013/article/is-charles-manson-getting-married-20131120/19948/_original/1035x713-20131119-manson-x1800-1384973102.jpg - Charles Manson with a 26 year old girl. An 80 year old banging a 26 year old girl OMG THE PUNISHMENT

https://theodorerobertcowellnelsonbundy.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/ted-bundy-with-daughter-and-ugly-disgusting-woman-who-bore-her-the-cunt-who-abandoned-him-at-his-time-of-need-i-hope-she-contracted-an-std-and-led-a-miserable-life-after-ted-died-4.jpg - Ted Bundy was able to have a FRICKIN KID WHILE IN JAIL OMG TEH WORSE PUNISHMENT EVAH

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/08/article-0-1F79CA1400000578-520_470x423.jpg - video games and movies. The torture!

Also you forget the possibiltiy of them escaping, overcrowded prisons, a change in convcition, paperwork gone wrong, etc. etc.

When did I say any of those were punishments or even worthy of being called punishments? That wasn't my point...

Why are you so cynical about punishment? Why are so many people cynical about punishment? What benefits do you gain from others being punished? Will their punishment all of a sudden make time go backwards? Why does it matter if they are being punished at all other than for someone's peace of mind? Again, that sounds religious. The reason a jail/confinement should exist is to block public access to those who are dangerous. It doesn't help when people ask stupid ignorant questions based on their emotions. Punishment isn't going to bring back the people from the dead, its not logical to kill someone no matter the crime.

I am being 100% serious. The sky will still be blue, the sun will rise, you will still have a job/career, you will still be just as safe as you were the day before...you will be an unchanged person physically due to this mans existence or non-exsitence. No body gains any benefits from somebody elses punishment, but people gain benefits of safety when they are locked away for the rest of their life.

How do you know I forgot about them escaping? That's a separate issue that in the favor of your arguement needs improvement, yes, but that doesn't mean we begin to kill people.

It is such a young way of thinking to just go ahead and plan someones demise. I would say its inhumane to plan someones death but apparently its the norm around here.



A_C_E said:

When did I say any of those were punishments or even worthy of being called punishments? That wasn't my point...

Why are you so cynical about punishment? Why are so many people cynical about punishment? What benefits do you gain from others being punished? Will their punishment all of a sudden make time go backwards? Why does it matter if they are being punished at all other than for someone's peace of mind? Again, that sounds religious. The reason a jail/confinement should exist is to block public access to those who are dangerous. It doesn't help when people ask stupid ignorant questions based on their emotions. Punishment isn't going to bring back the people from the dead, its not logical to kill someone no matter the crime.

I am being 100% serious. The sky will still be blue, the sun will rise, you will still have a job/career, you will still be just as safe as you were the day before...you will be an unchanged person physically due to this mans existence or non-exsitence. No body gains any benefits from somebody elses punishment, but people gain benefits of safety when they are locked away for the rest of their life.

How do you know I forgot about them escaping? That's a separate issue that in the favor of your arguement needs improvement, yes, but that doesn't mean we begin to kill people.

It is such a young way of thinking to just go ahead and plan someones demise. I would say its inhumane to plan someones death but apparently its the norm around here.


What benefits do we gain? Let's see -

a) deterrence

b) gives value to our lives (So I know if someone kills me, or my brother, or my mother, that they will face the correct punishment)

c) it's the correct punihsment

d) we don't have tax payer money going to a guy who gets sexually aroused by biting the nipples off 12 year old girls, instead our tax money is going to CHILDREN or VETERANS or PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING BUT TRYING or EDUCATION

See you're thinking of this from your point of view. What if your mother was a victim of a serial killer? What if you were? It makes me nearly faint to think of my mom being murdered.



McDonaldsGuy said:


What benefits do we gain? Let's see -

a) deterrence

b) gives value to our lives (So I know if someone kills me, or my brother, or my mother, that they will face the correct punishment)

c) it's the correct punihsment

d) we don't have tax payer money going to a guy who gets sexually aroused by biting the nipples off 12 year old girls, instead our tax money is going to CHILDREN or VETERANS or PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING BUT TRYING or EDUCATION

See you're thinking of this from your point of view. What if your mother was a victim of a serial killer? What if you were? It makes me nearly faint to think of my mom being murdered.

Deterrence? Really? You think removal of the death penalty would cause a shift in deterrence? My...god...you have a lot to learn

Again, you're getting off knowing that someones life is about to end, your thinking emotionally. Epistemologically speaking it doesn't make any sense. People base way too many of their decisions off of their emotions, which in turn lead to the improper conclusion as far as morals go.

Simply saying its the correct punishment is not evidence to the fact. It just shows that you have a narrow-minded implausibility of the subject.

I'm capable of reading without capital letters as well. Your paying tax dollars no matter the circumstance, sometimes its more and sometimes it less.

I'm seeing this from an epistemological point of view, actually, which is to say that I'm looking beyond the emotion and focusing on the understanding of the way one thinks. If my mother was a victim of a serial killer then my mom would be dead...I would be enraged, sad, broken. But your asking me to put myself in a situation where you hope that I would choose to support the death penalty, maybe you should keep an open mind and look past your emotions.

Emotions are extremely bias in nature and offer less logic than a calculated decision. Just the fact that you asked me to look at it from an emotional perspective says to me that your not all that calculated and can only see this issue from your perspective.



How many people did he kill?Serious question.That would mean,the guy that killed those nine people in the church,should get the death penalty as well.



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Glad to hear he's getting the death penalty. The world will get just a little safer.



McDonaldsGuy said:
Lawlight said:


That's inhumane. We're not in Game of Thrones. Put him to rest so that he's not a waste of taxpayers' money.


Who cares about being humane when it comes to the scum of society? It's time we victims FIGHT BACK! Enough is enough! Anyway I think we should use him for human experimentation. Why use innocent animals when we have murderers and child molesters around?


It's not about being humane to them but not being inhumane. Sounds like you would condone things like torture.



Lawlight said:
McDonaldsGuy said:


Who cares about being humane when it comes to the scum of society? It's time we victims FIGHT BACK! Enough is enough! Anyway I think we should use him for human experimentation. Why use innocent animals when we have murderers and child molesters around?


It's not about being humane to them but not being inhumane. Sounds like you would condone things like torture.


I do think torture for the most henious crimes is acceptable. However not for torture's sake - I think the most henious of criminals should be used for experimentations. For example, HIV experimentation.



I do not believe that punishment should be, in any way or form, goal of the justice system. The goal of all forms of government should be to search ideal life conditions for all people, including criminals. Punishing purely for revenge is counterproductive to this, and for me, is higly unmoral.

I do not believe that a death sentence would impede other individuals of committing similar acts, over a life sentence, quite the contrary, in fact. Many religious extremists consider death to be more honourable than being captured; anyone afraid of death awould not participate in these activities in the first place, considiring the high risk (and examples of this risk, such as the other brother.)

I thus believe the death sentance to be both unethical and counterproductive.



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